Ron Sutton Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 I agree Bernie, those were fun times, I can remember seeing you online at around 5 AM each morning checking the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveh Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Darlene, The person who reported our man was certainly a moron and an imbecile, though I prefer the term numbskull. I wonder how many derogatory labels we can come up with to describe this person(?) without us getting thrown off the internet? That individual (maybe an alien) was probably not an imbecile or moron in the clinical meaning of the words, since he, she, or it probably knew how to type and spell well enough to report Eric. So the only word I'd use to describe him, her, or it is numbskull. PS - If Eric is reading this, consider: Most of us were not even members when The Numbskull victimized you. As far as I can tell, we are all huge fans of yours, and no one in this group would report you.Eric, before posting, use your computer's obscenity-check so you won't get in trouble!Steveh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted June 4, 2003 Share Posted June 4, 2003 Caution! One of my multiple personalities is a moron. No I'm not! Yes you are. No I'm not! How do you know I was talking about you? Because you always make fun of me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveh Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Tony, It's OK if one of your personalities is a moron, as long as you don't have any anti-EC personalities who would dare to get him in trouble!Steveh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Most of us know that if we are critical of our sensitive little musical genius, he will just go further into is music inactive shell and never come out to write or play again. So when we know he is reading the board, It must look like a sea of "Darlene style" posts until our little Cleveland groundhog... errrr...Mr. Carmen goes back to his million dollar song royalty nest with the inspiration to crank out some new tunes and new recordings of "Devil..." and "Wild Wild Heart". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted June 5, 2003 Author Share Posted June 5, 2003 I'd bet that I'm more critical of EC than anyone on this list, but that's been mainly because of his last release and because in my opinion he can do much better. MARVIN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostControl Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Tony, you'll have to make sure you and I are there to balance out any "Darleneness". Between the two of us (and a few othere who are good aat putting out their opinions whether they're popular or not) we can inject some realness into the board. Not to say we'd be insulting - just not the slobbering lovefest that could occur. I'm sure EC would be much more appreciative of people with real opinions anyway.Michelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 It's a good mix on this board. But I do think Eric has had a problem with criticism of his music over the years. These songs are his babies, and it's hard when someone like Clive Davis tells him he's going in the wrong direction with his music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 I'm glad someone is balancing the "Darleneness" on the board, whatever that means! I don't think my opinions are a "slobbering lovefest," whatever THAT means, either! I definitely have "real" opinions: I certainly don't agree with not putting one's work out there when it's great, and I've always said that WD should have had live instruments as well. Nor is "Change of Heart" my favorite song. I've voiced all of those opinions before. I just don't happen to think that being negative and/or insulting is an acceptable form of encouragement to anyone to produce anything. And if I think something is gorgeous, I'll defend my opinion fiercely. I've just learned that being positive in the face of any adversity can move mountains. Sorry. --Darlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted June 5, 2003 Author Share Posted June 5, 2003 I think that Eric (or any recording artist for that matter) is dreaming in technicolor if they think that their fans love every single piece of music that they release. Music touches people in different ways and not everyone is moved by a piece of music in the same way. I've been writing songs for 25+ years - in my mind they've all been good, but I'm not so much of an idealist to believe that every one of them sounds good to the listener. I believe that artists are honest enough to admit that for every song that is GOLD, there are those that have quite a bit less lustre. MARVIN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mymooladi Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Darlene, don't be sorry! You have just as much right to voice your opinion. JUNE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted June 5, 2003 Share Posted June 5, 2003 Yes Darlene, Shame on you for being so positive and trying to make people feel good. We know how wonderful you are. We know how your husband is one of the luckiest guys in the world. We know that if your picture was on your profile page, my whole house would be wallpapered with your image. The truth is, most of wish we had a friend like you by our side to cheer us up when we feel the world is dumping on us. Even when the lemonade is so sweet that we get a tummy ache sometimes, we still appreciate it was offered to us with kindness. Still, Eric does need friends like Marvin as well...to keep him real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted June 6, 2003 Author Share Posted June 6, 2003 I consider it a compliment to be called a "friend" of Eric's!MARVIN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Tony, Thanks for the kind words. I TOLD you, I'm not a "Stepford Wife!" I complain and tell plenty of people what I think and it's not all sweetness and light. I hate "canned music," and think it ruins dynamite tracks, am not thrilled with the song "Change of Heart," and think Eric should get off the fence and do something. THERE, is THAT real enough for you? That having been said, I still think there's constructive criticism and destructive comments. Constructive criticism offers a possible solution. Just tearing down something and offering no constructive suggestions seems kind of lame to me. I think Eric is a master at what he does and while not all of his songs have "bowled me over," I just wouldn't presume to critique his writing or production. But it doesn't mean my opinions aren't real. --Darlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostControl Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Sorry Darlene, didn't mean to insult you.It's just that I've found that some people are really annoying where Eric is concerned, acting like crazed fans instead of rational adults. That has to be annoying for an artist. Actually Darlene is great at being rational and not being a slobbering fan, like some other people are. Of course, who knows? If I was to meet Eric in person, I'm sure I'd lose all comtrol and become a slobbering idiot myself, gushing about how wonderful everything about him is, and picking up the dirt he had been standing on after he walked away. It's easy to be detached and reserved sitting here at a computer screen in my jammies hundreds of miles removed.Darlene, Tony is right about you, you are one sweet person! We love your attitude. Don't ever change!Michelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bahoodore Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Wow!! Haven't been on the board for a while now and it chockful of action!...Marvin , you're raising cane again..Cartmill, you always have an edge on things, Darlene...you are not Member #2 for nutttin'!!Fun guys, lotsa fun...I have to agree with Marvin. When Marvin first played me Side3 in his basement in Montreal, I flipped! From then oin I listened to everything produced by any of the Berries. When "Tonite your Mine" came out, Marvin and I freaked!...we played that record to death. His latest is a shallow representation of how good Eric can write. I'm not saying that he can't allow himself to make a crappy record,...most artists do at one time or another!....So who cares , really?...I would say that EC is one of the few artists where I can drop the CD in, and let it play. My favorite of his has always been "Change of Heart" album ( I know Marvin will disagree with me on that one) Great vocals and harmonies. Melodies are out of this world. A clean sounding record, no extras distorting,...plus all the great musicians on it.To be, it could have been a Barry Gibb production. Good R&B flavor to it, blue eyed soul...love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspbernie Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Hey! I'll participate in the 12-step program, too. My name is Bernie...and although I am an unabashed Eric Carmen fan, I am not very fond of these songs: Haven't We Come A Long Way Lost In The Shuffle American As Apple Pie Isn't It Romantic There. I said it. Whew...I'll sit down now. --Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Look what we started--Raspbernie is now baring his soul! I agree with you on "Lost In The Shuffle." To me (sorry, Eric), I can't find ANY redeeming qualities. (Now people will do a 180 and say "Oh, that Darlene is so terrible, her husband should divorce her!" --and he's probably thought about it at least once--when I'm up till 3 AM practicing my violin--that's hard to live with--I'm not ALL sweetness and light!) I like "Haven't we come a long way" and "American As Apple Pie." "Isn't It Romantic," I can take or leave. (Is everyone gasping?!) --Darlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 Bernie! "Isn't It Romantic" is a great song. You must be samba-phobic. "American As Apple Pie" is a Mellencamp clone. But a good one...I'm with you on the other 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 PS (And Eric is REALLY going to hate me now!): I could see (here it comes!) DON HO singing "Isn't it Romantic" while strumming a ukelele in a B movie. Uh oh, I've really done it now...Think I'll leave for awhile... (Is there an instant Graemlin for "OOPS!"? --D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggiesjc Posted June 6, 2003 Share Posted June 6, 2003 I agree with Tony here. I think "Isn't It Romantic" is lovely, along with almost everything else on Winter Dreams (Marvin, I know what you're thinking!). Just to go a step further and show how different we all can be in our opinions, "Boats Against the Current," which seems to be a favorite of many (including Eric himself?) is probably the album I like the least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 Well, I hate to say anything bad because the last time I mentioned a song I didn't like, I got a nasty "private message" from someone on the board. So, if I sound all sugary sweet about every song Eric's ever done, it's because of that. Anyway, it's the voice I crave--like candy to my ears. It's a tone thing, I guess. He could sing me the names out of the New York City phone book, and I'd probably listen to him at least through the "T's" on CD and he could "Go All The Way" through the Yellow Pages if it was live! ---Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted June 7, 2003 Author Share Posted June 7, 2003 I could easily name one or two songs per album that I don't like - with the Geffen album and "Winter Dreams" having the most that I despise. Andy and I have been listening to the 'berries and EC for more years than we'd like to admit. And Andy, I do like "Change of Heart", the songs are as strong as any others, just feel that the album as a whole lacks cohesiveness.MARVIN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostControl Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 "Lost in the Shuffle" has to be one of the worst Eric has ever done. I absolutely agree with Bernie. I'm also not a big fan of She Did It Inside Story Everytime I Make Love To You Top Down Summer Oddly, I LOVE the album "Tonight you're mine", yet two of the worst songs ever are on that album. I guess the other songs are just so strong on that album that they totally make up for "Lost in the Shuffle" and "Inside Story". However, I agree with Julie - most of the time I could listen to that voice just sing anything. Although I don't think I could listen to him sing the whole phone book. I'm not THAT BIG a fan! Michelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted June 7, 2003 Share Posted June 7, 2003 I don't care for "She Did It" either. But I love "Top Down Summer". If the surviving Beach Boys would cut that song, It would get lots of airplay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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