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I loved this song the first time i heard it...Which was in the first week i joined this board...I love the song even more now...Now i find it's a metaphor for the tough times we're going through...

This song was recorded years ago...but i believe it's time is now...I don't know about the pop charts...but i believe with proper promotion this song could go top ten AC...

The hard times are the times that polish the soul...and we surely will be shining before all of this is over...That is why we must Never Say Die!

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Originally posted by Angloberry:

What always gets me about NSD is that echo on Eric's voice on the last word "DIE...Die...die...etc. Spine tingling!

That's *ALL* Tommy Allen! He just did a kick ass job producing this in my opinion. And my favorite part is that it's chock-full of human beings playing instruments (imagine that!)—from the piano to the bass to the drums to the guitars to the shakers and the tambourine! Our original plan was to produce this organically rather than utilize synths. What a concept!
Gee ... real music played by real musicians, who would've thought?

I've always dug this tune...

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While I was working out, today, the satellite radio channel called 20 on 20 played what I can only assume must be the top twenty songs currently on the charts, and something struck me.

Back in the seventies, when I made most of my records, there was a studio called Sound Factory in Hollywood where Linda Ronstadt, James Taylor, Jackson Browne, Warren Zevon, and I used to record, and the reason we all worked at that studio was because the great engineers they had were adept at making the studio sound transparent. We wanted everything to sound as organic as humanly possible, with vocals that sounded like the singer was sitting next to you in the car.

As I listened to the top twenty songs of today, it hit me that the entire process is now the EXACT OPPOSITE. There's some new gimmick on half these records that makes makes the singer's voice sound like a synthesizer. It was on Britney Spears new one, and Rhianna's new one and at least four or five more. Maybe it's because they're not really great singers, but in the final analysis, it removed any possible emotional connection to the listener. Synthesized voices sound like robots. The Britney record is absolutely comical.

Maybe this is why today's artists can't sell out big halls. No emotional connection.

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So right, EC.

I think that's why I get depressed litening to the top 40 radio stations today, while my 14 year old niece sits there and recites every rap interlude that almost all the hits have shoved in them, right in the place where Eric used to put those killer melodic bridges! grumpy

And didn't they replace Britney Spears with an actual robot a couple of years ago?...when "the corporation" couldn't deal with the real Britney's mood swings?

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The "stars" or "artistes" today are the producers, engineers, personal trainers, choreographers.....and everyone else who has NOTHING to do with the very personal, emotional connection between performer/composer and listener.

It's akin to the difference between making love with the love of your life...and er uhmmmmmm nhmmmmmmmm Woody Allen in the "Orgasmitron" from "Bananas".

John

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Some of the greatest hits of all time almost never got released because the artists...producers...or writers involved did not believe they were up to whatever standard they had set for themselves...

In the end...the listeners will decide...if they get a chance to hear...and it is the emotional connection that will make a song turn out to be a better release...

Back in the day there were times when the A side got overtaken by the B side and became the bigger hit...The fans...the listeners made that happen...

It is too easy to diss a record in comparison to some other record that has already made it...As brilliant as some record guys are...They sometimes are deaf as a tree stump when it comes to hearing the hit out of left field...

If Never Say Die ever sees the light of day outside of this ecosystem...It will be the emotional connection that some of us have detected that could make it into something more than a "miss" that the powers that be rejected.

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I 'borrowed' this from the original thread on "Never Say Die". Those that missed it the first time around might get a kick out of Eric's comments:

"I recall spending the day with Desmond Child who announced as I walked in the door that he was in his Burt Bacharach mode. It was his title and he just sort of launched into the verse, which I thought was good but a bit strange for me. He was so opinionated that I was a bit intimidated at first. By the time we reached the chorus I was loosening up and we pretty much traded lines. By the time we reached the bridge I'd been pushed around enough and decided to take over, hence, the bridge was me. It was great fun hearing it again and you guys did an incredible job with it."

Who knew song writing could be so competitive wink

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"...It was his title and he just sort of launched into the verse, which I thought was good but a bit strange for me....By the time we reached the bridge I'd been pushed around enough and decided to take over, hence, the bridge was me..."

This basically captures my feeling about the song. The verse is odd, the chorus predictable, and the bridge (which coincidentally Eric wrote) is the saving grace.

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Originally posted by angelina:

They're so good that his vocals ALMOST erase the implausible vision of Patrick Swayze falling for Jennifer Grey.

Speaking of Jennifer Grey, Have you seen her since she had a "nose job"? She's beautiful.

Now... I don't think anybody will "put(s) Baby in a corner"!

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