blackhawkpat Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Tommy seems like a great guy and a terrific musician. I've had the pleasure of communicating with him from time to time on each of our myspace pages.I have always dug this song and to show it could be a hit with all ages, all four of my kids (ranges 14-23) have it on their ipods, after hearing me play it so often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmichel Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 I loved this song the first time i heard it...Which was in the first week i joined this board...I love the song even more now...Now i find it's a metaphor for the tough times we're going through...This song was recorded years ago...but i believe it's time is now...I don't know about the pop charts...but i believe with proper promotion this song could go top ten AC...The hard times are the times that polish the soul...and we surely will be shining before all of this is over...That is why we must Never Say Die! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 It's not one of EC's best co-write compositions, but the way it was re-recorded lifts it up a notch to avoid hitting the skip button on your ipod. I like it.Is anybody else a fan of Desmond Child's "Discipline" CD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Shaft Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Quote:Originally posted by Angloberry: What always gets me about NSD is that echo on Eric's voice on the last word "DIE...Die...die...etc. Spine tingling! That's *ALL* Tommy Allen! He just did a kick ass job producing this in my opinion. And my favorite part is that it's chock-full of human beings playing instruments (imagine that!)—from the piano to the bass to the drums to the guitars to the shakers and the tambourine! Our original plan was to produce this organically rather than utilize synths. What a concept! Gee ... real music played by real musicians, who would've thought?I've always dug this tune... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Carmen Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 While I was working out, today, the satellite radio channel called 20 on 20 played what I can only assume must be the top twenty songs currently on the charts, and something struck me.Back in the seventies, when I made most of my records, there was a studio called Sound Factory in Hollywood where Linda Ronstadt, James Taylor, Jackson Browne, Warren Zevon, and I used to record, and the reason we all worked at that studio was because the great engineers they had were adept at making the studio sound transparent. We wanted everything to sound as organic as humanly possible, with vocals that sounded like the singer was sitting next to you in the car.As I listened to the top twenty songs of today, it hit me that the entire process is now the EXACT OPPOSITE. There's some new gimmick on half these records that makes makes the singer's voice sound like a synthesizer. It was on Britney Spears new one, and Rhianna's new one and at least four or five more. Maybe it's because they're not really great singers, but in the final analysis, it removed any possible emotional connection to the listener. Synthesized voices sound like robots. The Britney record is absolutely comical. Maybe this is why today's artists can't sell out big halls. No emotional connection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy McLintock Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 What about the photo that came with the download? Nobody said anything about it. It's a fab fab photo, and I absolutely adore it! I love Eric young, but he's sophisticated in this one. I like this song and I think it is commercial material. Thanks for sharing Raspbernie.And I'm ecstatic that real musical instruments were used! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 So right, EC. I think that's why I get depressed litening to the top 40 radio stations today, while my 14 year old niece sits there and recites every rap interlude that almost all the hits have shoved in them, right in the place where Eric used to put those killer melodic bridges! And didn't they replace Britney Spears with an actual robot a couple of years ago?...when "the corporation" couldn't deal with the real Britney's mood swings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelina Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 The "stars" or "artistes" today are the producers, engineers, personal trainers, choreographers.....and everyone else who has NOTHING to do with the very personal, emotional connection between performer/composer and listener.It's akin to the difference between making love with the love of your life...and er uhmmmmmm nhmmmmmmmm Woody Allen in the "Orgasmitron" from "Bananas".John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelina Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Hey ec? Working-out? FAN-Friggin'-Tastic!John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okstevens Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 I agree. I even believe a mistake or two, a slight imperfection on a recording gives the song and the musician a real personality. I'd rather hear it raw and real than fine tuned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okstevens Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Oh yeah, I love Never Say Die. But I would have loved a sax in there somewhere and just a bit more emotion on Eric's vocal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmichel Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Some of the greatest hits of all time almost never got released because the artists...producers...or writers involved did not believe they were up to whatever standard they had set for themselves...In the end...the listeners will decide...if they get a chance to hear...and it is the emotional connection that will make a song turn out to be a better release...Back in the day there were times when the A side got overtaken by the B side and became the bigger hit...The fans...the listeners made that happen...It is too easy to diss a record in comparison to some other record that has already made it...As brilliant as some record guys are...They sometimes are deaf as a tree stump when it comes to hearing the hit out of left field...If Never Say Die ever sees the light of day outside of this ecosystem...It will be the emotional connection that some of us have detected that could make it into something more than a "miss" that the powers that be rejected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy-Ann Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 What about the photo that came with the download? Nobody said anything about it. It's a fab fab photo, and I absolutely adore it! I love Eric young, but he's sophisticated in this one. I'll answer you Daisy...with just one word - CLASS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy-Ann Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 While I was working out, todayI'm sorry...did you say something else after the above statement. For some reason my mind couldn't focus after: "While I was working out, today." Wendy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daisy McLintock Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Yeah - that's it! You hit it better than I did! Class! Hmmmm, me like classy men.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I 'borrowed' this from the original thread on "Never Say Die". Those that missed it the first time around might get a kick out of Eric's comments: "I recall spending the day with Desmond Child who announced as I walked in the door that he was in his Burt Bacharach mode. It was his title and he just sort of launched into the verse, which I thought was good but a bit strange for me. He was so opinionated that I was a bit intimidated at first. By the time we reached the chorus I was loosening up and we pretty much traded lines. By the time we reached the bridge I'd been pushed around enough and decided to take over, hence, the bridge was me. It was great fun hearing it again and you guys did an incredible job with it."Who knew song writing could be so competitive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 "...It was his title and he just sort of launched into the verse, which I thought was good but a bit strange for me....By the time we reached the bridge I'd been pushed around enough and decided to take over, hence, the bridge was me..."This basically captures my feeling about the song. The verse is odd, the chorus predictable, and the bridge (which coincidentally Eric wrote) is the saving grace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannoman Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I basically agree with you Marvin but the two things that pull this off are Eric's vocal (strong) and the rerecording of instrumentation (tasteful).Great job Bernie on an average song which ended up as an above average final product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Eric saves a lot of songs with his vocals. The other one that comes to mind is "Hungry Eyes." A song that I detest, but can listen to ONLY because of Eric's vocal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelina Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Marvin.........you are SO on the money. ec's vocals are incredible on "Hungry Eyes". They're so good that his vocals ALMOST erase the implausible vision of Patrick Swayze falling for Jennifer Grey. Remember...."Nobody puts Baby in a corner". LOLJohn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missy Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I loved the song and I thought Eric's voice came across as very "sexy". Congrats to you Bernie too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elle4ec Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Quote: Originally posted by angelina: They're so good that his vocals ALMOST erase the implausible vision of Patrick Swayze falling for Jennifer Grey. Speaking of Jennifer Grey, Have you seen her since she had a "nose job"? She's beautiful.Now... I don't think anybody will "put(s) Baby in a corner"! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelina Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I have seen her...and I'd put her in a corner hopefully FACING me!She does look fantastic. But you know....she was always cute anyway!John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Raspbernie Posted November 20, 2008 Author Share Posted November 20, 2008 She does look fantastic. But you know....she was always cute anyway! She was VERY cute and adorable before and I am afraid she is now unrecognizable! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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