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Steve my take on a show in the Pacific NorthWest or any show that is outside of a major market is, to make it really worthwhile from an economics perspective, they'd have to do multiple shows or other shows in the area (how about Vancouver,BC - Canada!).

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I have to say that I am agreement with Marvin on this topic. While I love the games and really enjoy playing them, I feel as if we are passing the time waiting for so much more to happen. We are all on pins and needles waiting for the CD/DVD to be released with the hopes of another reunion tour and possibly a solo performance.

If someone had told me that one day I would have been standing in line at BB Kings to purchase tickets to a Raspberries reunion concert, I would have laughed in their face and told them that they need more medication!!

When I finally got the tickets in my hands and told people that I was attending a “Raspberries Reunionâ€, their first response was “WHO ???†As soon as I mentioned EC, the little light bulb went off in their heads and they remembered. Believe me, even though I was thrilled to FINALLY see the Raspberries, I would have given anything to hear “Make Me Lose Controlâ€, “Tonight You’re Mine†and “That’s Rock and Rollâ€, which in my opinion sound absolutely “Berries†to me.

I can’t see the big deal some people are making about this saying the band should just stick to “berries†music. If another reunion tour takes place to promote the CD/DVD, incorporating some of EC’s music would only enhance ticket sales. Besides, who wouldn’t want to hear some of EC’s solo music played by the band where it all started?

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Marv,

Absolutely. They would probably end up on the same circuit as REO, Styx, Rick Springfield, Joan Jett, Pat Benatar, David Cassidy, Foreignor, Frampton, Skynrd, Paul Rodgers, etc. (Dave Mathews and Heart live here too) that play here all the time, that up here with the huge Indian population, outside of the House of Blues, there are so many wonderful Indian Casino venues that rival Vegas up here. A swing up here could play in Vancouver BC, Seattle, Spokane, and Portland easily.

The difference is, I beleieve I can get them on Clear Channel air, again, if interested.

S

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Steve,

That would be really cool to witness that first hand and to say that you played a part in getting the boys on the air in Seattle!

What do you guys think about KC as a possible venue for when the tour takes place? We have Kemper Arena, Music Hall, Chiefs stadium(George Strait held his tour there a couple of years in a row - this a open stadium - no rolling roof - yet that is and I believe that the crowd was down on the playing field where the stage was),Starlight Theater(outdoors). I only know that the Chiefs stadium would hold thousands of people. Kansas City is trying its best to be a place for large conventions and have the hotel rooms available within close proximity to quite a few of the attractions. Now we also have in Kansas Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre - not good acoustics though.

Your thoughts - this is all speculation mind you.

Dianed,

I too play the games and have fun as well. I agree that it is passing the time waiting for something to happen. I think that the band is doing what they can to get things moving but there is only so much that can be done on their own since they are waiting on Ryko to release the cd/dvd. Come June there this board as well as raspberriesonline will be buzzing again with anticipation and excitement.

HT

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Reading the mish-mash of this post brings up some interesting thoughts and points.

First, although I think Eric Carmen (only) fans and Raspberries (only) fans are not necessarily the same people. I'm not sure promoting a Raspberries concert as having an EC set in the middle will do anything to boost the sales. There is the point that what are the other guys to do; Dave and Wally and Jim don't have the catalog of successful material sans Raspberries to pull from and as much as we like some of their other efforts, they might not work as well.

I think by trying to turn Raspberries into "the Eric Carmen show" is going to open old wounds and probably play right into Kay Bryson's hands by proving that the other guys are being dissed... and I think she'd be right in that contention if it happened.

IF the Raspberries tour is to happen, these guys need to focus on Raspberries music; and how cool would it be to introduce a couple of new songs from a forthcoming album of new material? laugh

IF the Raspberries tour is only to say "Hey, we have this DVD out of our reunion but that's all it is..." then maybe it is time for EC to get back on with a solo career... if he really wants to.

Needless to say Jim, Wally, and Dave need Eric to do Raspberries more than he needs them. He has the solo success and he can always mount a comeback.

Again, if he chooses to. He also has the royalties from both careers so he doesn't really have to worry about it and could stay retired or semi retired or whatever. Wally and Jim and Dave seem to be the ones who will need to either start making money on Raspberries or focus on their "day" jobs until their social security kicks in... frown

The thing that scares me; as we've witnessed with lots of other bands... the performers from the seventies are like us, not getting any younger. Raspberries are blessed that all of them are in reasonable good health.

For now.

I just hope they get off their butts and realize how special that is and how special they are to us before it's too late to work together any more.

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I don't believe venues are the issue, as much as ticket sales. The question is do you promote "The Original Rasperries Lineup", or "The Orignial Raspberries Featuring Eric Carmen", or (EG) The Raspberries Featuring Eric Carmen and the Guess Who Featuring Burton Cummings (or Richard Marx, etc.)

I don't enough where the price point is.

This is not the case with me, but I believe The Raspberries music is more well known than their name. The layman thinks of them as a K-Tel studio singles group. Raspberries means nothing, but play Go All The Way, IWBWY, Let's Pretend, etc. and it's immediately recognizeable.

Eric too, to a lesser degree, but his compositions are more famous than he is, outside of Clevland.

To promote a regional gig, the angle would have to be, can you believe the same guy is behind this many hits, and play snippets, solo and band, Eric's name would help sell tickets, but the band would sell itself by the performance. Ka-ching.

S

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Just a few of my observations: Cleveland shows, 1st sell out, New Years Eve was not announced until after the November 26th show and this limited ticket sales as a lot of people had plans (even crew and Overdubs had to change plans) but the show was basically a sell out. Chicago as far as we could tell nearly a sell out in some of the worst weather Chicago has had in years. Outdoor shows, well they are outdoors and we shared the venues with multiple acts. NYC BB Kings both sell outs. Atlantic City was not a sell out but well attended. According to my sources this venue will be closing very soon due to the inability to sell out shows and LA was a sell out and if not it was really close.

What does all this mean; the advertising that HOB did for the shows was terrible, if the EC and Raspberries Net board member would have not spread the word who knows what would have happened. For any tour to be successful not only do you need a good product, which we do, but we need some strong promoter backing. With the CD/DVD deal hopefully this could happen and a tour might happen. I know I am ready to hit the road.

Just a note; these are my thoughts and are not in any way the opinions or thoughts of any of the band members or road crew. Thats my story and I am sticking to it.

Ernie

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Word of mouth was what carried this band through the 2004-2005 tour, moreso than any work (or lack of) done by the promoters.

Will old wounds rise if the band is billed as "Eric Carmen & the Raspberries"? I can't answer that, but there has to be a way to promote the show in a way where mention is made of Eric's solo career. It WILL add to the ticket sales.

There certainly is some dilineation between Eric-solo-music-fans and Raspberries fans, but I think promoting the show in a way that joins both is a win-win situation.

As far as venues are concerned, unless the band is part of a package tour, it makes no sense to think of stadiums or large outdoor amphitheatres. Halls the size of HOB are ideal for the band.

Marv

p.s. Harry you were right!

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It cracks me up some board members trying to cast negative assertions re: crowd size. All I know is I could barely get through the crowd to get to the bathroom in both L.A. and New York. Sell out or not, some of these venues were jammed. I personally dont buy the half baked logic that the reunion tour was a success due to fans and board members. I think it was a success because four guys made the decision to pick up their instruments again and play.

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And I agree...Those four guys both on and off stage are amazing. What even blows me away more is when we are in the rehearsal hall and they are just playing around the music is so great. This is one of the perks that as a crew member we get to hear and see. Most people just get to see the results on stage, however we get to see some of the true artistic ability of all four guys and it is spectacular. Eric just playing the keyboards, Wally just dabbling on different rifts, Dave both on guitar and bass and Jim always changing heads on the drums to make them sound so much bigger (hard to believe how he plays that bigger is possible). A couple of months ago they got together (minus Dave due to to health) and just jammed for a couple of hours. I wish I would have had a video camera because it was so great.

As I have said before, if the stars align correctly and we go back out on tour, it will be nothing short of greatness.

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Gotta say that, as english is not my first language (neither my second), sometimes I choose the incorrect wording, but free thoughts are still good when they cross the border into the U.S., no?

My love for the the music has nothing to do with my last "reply"....(not POST as Kathy referred)

I just commented on how, the minute anything (that can be "Seen") negative-ish towards EC/Berries is treated as a threat to national security...

Bahooey

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I agree with you Bahooey. This is a MESSAGE BOARD...anyone should be able to post whatever feelings they have negative or positive. As long as it's not personal or contains profanity, who cares, ignore the comment if you don't agree with it.

I for one, love Eric Carmen and the Raspberries...their music. There have been issues and if we're not happy, what better place to get it off our minds then here.

Atlantic City looked like an OK size crowd, they also gave many tickets away. I heard a comment while on the floor that only about 500 tickets were actually sold.

While in New York City, yes it was packed, but they were also selling tickets at the door on Saturday night. I was there, I saw it. So again, NYC was great but it DID NOT sell out in advance.

I've spent my money (alot of it too) and will spend it again to see the band. But we want success on a whole and that means increased ticket sales. So, as Marvin has said, Eric Carmen and Raspberries on double up wwith another major 70's act and be part of a bill.

Tommy James and the Shondells, The Lovin Spoonful and Turtles are playing together in Wildwood NJ at the end of the month....this is the type of line-up the 'berries need to be a part of if they don't feature "Eric Carmen".

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I agree with Marv...There are thousands of people out there who have no idea that Eric Carmen was in the Berries...Dont forget, Dirty Dancin' and Make Me Lose Control were over a decade later than All BY MYSELF, not to mention about 20 years after GATW...Whatever ill will that it causes is something that needs to be addressed by the individuals, not us...Common sense says that the more name recognition you have for something, the better chances that it will sell...Also Marv, sorry to see that you got manhandled by Kathy...Join the club...Some people have the magic touch...They can write derogatory things about a lot of subjects and are granted a lot more tolerance than a simple misspelling...But, as moderators and owners of this website, I respectfully agree with their judgement to process this info any way they choose...But, I do, absolutely agree with your take on the direction of this board, but it is human nature...We all started out with the common thread of Raspberries/Carmen and after we have dissected that to death, friends will often permeate to other subjects which keep the relationship evolving to another level...After all, how many times can we discuss what color tie Eric was wearing in a video?...

I love your knowledge/insightfullness on many topics and hope that this post symbolizes the show of support that it is meant to convey...

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Pairing the 'berries with another act cuts into how long the 'berries show can be. If you're looking at Cheap Trick, although a great pairing that brings the 'berries music to a large audience, you're looking at a 'berries set that would be 1 hour long at the most. I'm sold on an Eric/'berries show.

Marv

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The main reason I originally felt it needed to stay as an all Raspberries set, was that looking at the Raspberries set list, I would have a tough time even cutting 6-8 'berries songs to make room.

The bottom line is that half the set list are songs we find outstanding but 99% of the population have not heard them.. (I Can Remember, If You Change Your Mind, Nobody Knows, etc.) The attendess will be pleasantly surprised and converted, but you have to get them there first.

That means in a promotional effort, you have to dangle every radio single as possible in front of them. Make Me Lose Control/Hungry Eyes alone simply doubles the potential merely by demographics/timeframe.

WE would love a wall to wall Raspberries tour, and a seperate wall to wall EC tour, because WE all have the additional knowledge that many of the best songs, in both cases, weren't even singles, and are the best songs nobody's heard.

THEY, want a hitfest, to induce them to buy tickets. Once there, other songs can be strategically worked in to a captive audience.

No right or wrong, but Raspberries + EC (and maybe another act)simply are more likely to put more ears in front of the music we love, better venues, better sound systems, etc. for all.

Can you imagine a radio promo that plays a , snippet from GATW, IWBWY, LP, Tonight, ABM, NGFILA, Hungry Eyes, and MMLC?

Sorry, Boats won't sell tickets, but once there, it will sell cd's in the lobby afterwards.

Ironically, promoting Make Me Lose Control for example will result in more people hearing Wally's Partys Over and Dave's Should I Wait.

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You got it Steve. Two years ago I wanted nothing to do with EC solo songs in the set. Now I see no other way of bringing the music to new ears.

I was at Ringo's Minneapolis show in 2000(?). When Eric did "ABM" and then "Hungry", there was a look of astonishment among those around me. They didn't recognize the name, but they sure knew the songs. Then when he did "GAtW", the whisperings around me were, "I didn't know he did this song?"

Correct me if I'm wrong, but other than the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame Show and the Ringo tour, has Eric ever played his solo 'hits' live in the last 25 years?

Marv

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I had not heard of the Raspberries before this past October.

I'm not sure if it was lack of promotion in the south or simply, I was not old enough to care about the Raspberries when they were at their peak.

I did know MMLC, Hungry eyes and ABM, but not necessarily Eric Carmen.

I am now a huge fan, I appreciate the complexity and genius of his music.

Also, since finding this forum I have also learned about the complexity of the music business, I found I like EC's sense of humor, but not necessarily his choice in books. wink

I will(God willing) be at the next concert wherever it is, I do not really care about seeing any other group.

I do perfer Eric's music to most of the Raspberry music, but I think a Raspberry concert should be a Raspberry not a Eric Carmen and the Raspberries concert.

I would Really Love to see Eric perform his music, but on it's own more evolved level. heartpump

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Bessie's post is similar to what Steve and I have been saying: This board is divided into three parts:

1. Predominantly EC fans

2 Predominantly Raspberries fans

3. Fans of both EC and Raspberries

I know that some don't want to hear EC solo songs within a 'berries concert, and some don't want to hear 'berries songs in an EC concert, but a combination is going to be the way to increase the audience size and therefore book more venues.

Marv

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