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Frank's singing is alright, just doesn't exactly set me free or anything. Good news is he doesn't make me cringe like some stuff --- like that rap crap. Someone asked me why I don't care for rap and I told them because it is boring and monotonous. And if I wanted to listen to talking w/ background music I could just get on any crowded downtown elevator w/ Muzak pumped in for that kinda stuff. Their jaws got pretty tight.

I note that guys 10 to 20 years younger than me like singing/performing Frank's songs out in the karaoke bars, so his appeal remains.

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Eric Carmen said:

He was Frank Freakin' Sinatra for God's sake! He was a saloon singer from Jersey! The best there ever was! Get over it! Now go get me a Scotch, sissy boy. ec

I'll be right there with your Scotch, Mr. C

Duane "sissy boy" Smith

Eric...there is NOBODY whose musical knowledge I respect more than yours. I am amazed when I listen to your music. I don't know all the technical aspects that you and many of knowledgeable people here talk about, but I know what I like. Your music...lyrics, arrangements, etc...sounds "perfect" to me. It moves me. That's what I want from music. I just don't get that from Sinatra...I don't hate it, it's just not "special" to me (and "special" is still a long way from "perfect"). I like "Strangers in The Night" and other songs that he actually sang, but I don't care much for his "phrasing" if that's what you call what he did to your songs and so many others. While it's admirable that he gave acknowledgement to the writer(s)...you hear so many stories of his rudeness to others. I've heard it said that you can tell a lot about a person by how they treat people that they don't have to be nice to. I tend to agree with that theory. Now, I know you listen to music on a different level than I do. I'm sure you hear things that I don't even notice. So if you say Frank Sinatra is great...I gotta believe you. He just doesn't move me. I'll put it this way: I would make a great effort to see you in concert (solo)...I'd spend more money than I'd want to, travel a great distance, etc. to see you in concert. I wouldn't walk across the street to see Frank Sinatra in concert...even if I had free, front row seats! I'm not bashing...I just wouldn't have any interest in seeing him. I'd gladly give you the tickets, though.

Here's "I've Got You Under My Skin" that Raspathens recommended. I listened to it twice...I still don't get it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FLjwVTVnpNI&mode=related&search=

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Frank Sinatra was on the radio alot when i was a little kid in the 60's...But i only grew to enjoy and respect his artistry after our AM station went to a nostalgia format...The more i heard of Frank...the more i wanted to hear...I get what EC is saying about the phrasing...Listen to those arrangements...and then try to imagine yourself singing along and making the vocal work...It's not easy...But Frank Sinatra made it seem like it was.

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Here's "I've Got You Under My Skin" that Raspathens recommended. I listened to it twice...I still don't get it:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FLjwVTVnpNI&mode=related&search=

if you don't like Sinatra it's tough to say if you'll catch how subtle & at ease he is w/ everything... that type of confidence and grace is what makes him amazing... it's style, but it's incredible...

this clip of him w/ Jobim (i hope, couldn't check it from where I am) should be the same genius medley they did on one of his specials... godhead

Francis Albert Sinatra & Antonio Carlos Jobim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXPMdxDrIPI

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Duane : That clip of Frank doing IGYUMS is nowhere near the studio version. He basically talks through it in your clip. I "got" Sinatra as I listened to my Dad's LP collection. If I had depended on concert footage, I'm afraid I wouldn't have the same admiration and respect for his work. His two "characterture" songs - "Strangers In the Night" and "My Way" suck - and he disliked them as well. His later concert footage shows an older man trying his best, most of the time. Focus in on '56 to '63 if you are interested in getting a good start on Sinatra appreciation. Stay away from concert footage for a while. Television specials, for the most part, are alright but I do recall him destroying "Old Man River" in a late '60s special. I could tell he knew by the pained look on his face when the song was over. Finally, I think that the talented one we appreciate on this board, who also writes and plays instruments, and Sinatra have a similar musical sense. There is a "top drawer" element to both in their respective styles.

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raspathens...I did a YouTube search for IGYUMS and that was the first one to come up. If that's not his best stuff (or even him as hollies65 says) maybe I haven't given him a fair chance. Seems like most times I saw him on TV (70's on) he sounded like this...mostly talking through the songs. I always thought "what's the big deal?" about Sinatra. That style does nothing for me. Of course, that was before the internet and YouTube and the older stuff wasn't readily available. Maybe I'll check out some of his older stuff...all of y'all can't be wrong. Besides, we all agree on EC so we must have similar tastes.

Thanks...Duane

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I agree with Duane, I'll take Dean Martin over Sinatra any day. I never liked Sinatra. As for crediting the songwriter, I know he credited Lennon/McCartney on more than one occasion for Harrison's "Something". Harrison was apparently pretty chuffed by his rendition, however. I think he found it amusing how he incorporated "Jack" in the bridge. Listen to George's "Live in Japan" version and you'll hear George do it too.

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I think Sinatra sang what he sang well, possibly for many, they just aren't necessarily our favoritie songs.

He played here shortly before his death, and I bought my Dad tickets. Shirley McClaine was the warm-up act, and upon finishing and getting ready to introduce Sinatra, she asked the audience to go easy on him as he was having some troubles apparently on the tour.

Like Elvis, you certainly can't judge them by there last couple years. Sinatra stood up for Sammy at a time when it was far from popular.

He was a legend.

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raspathens...I did a YouTube search for IGYUMS and that was the first one to come up. If that's not his best stuff (or even him as hollies65 says) maybe I haven't given him a fair chance. Seems like most times I saw him on TV (70's on) he sounded like this...mostly talking through the songs.

Maybe I'll check out some of his older stuff...all of y'all can't be wrong. Besides, we all agree on EC so we must have similar tastes.

Thanks...Duane

OK... do I have to spell it out????

If you want to turn someone on to The Rolling Stones you DON'T play them "Steel Wheels" or "Undercover Of The Night" or show them any live footage after 1981!!!!!!!!!

If you want to turn someone on to Led Zeppelin you DON'T play them "In Thru The Out Door"!!!!!!

If you want to turn someone on to Rod Stewart you DON'T play them anything after 1977!!!!!!!

PLEASE DO NOT JUDGE Frank Sinatra by his windbag years of the 1970s & 1980s.... he went downhill FAST.... although there are glimmers here & there... but never anything worth the effort...

His early early stuff will not make a big impression either, unless you're a Crooner fanatic...

It was after his comeback in film (circa '53 as Maggio in "From Here To Eternity") that he became an amazing singer and really took off...

1955's "In The Wee Small Hours" is probably the best place to start... It also happens to be the first real concept album (way before the Beatles, duh).... anything up until his album w/ Jobim is worth anyone's attention...

now where's my shot, punk???

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I think Sinatra sang what he sang well, possibly for many, they just aren't necessarily our favoritie songs.

Not really..... it's just that most people only know the stuff that's been hammered down their throats... and that's only (maybe) 10-15 songs at best...

very few sang Cole Porter better... amongst the 50-60 or so studio albums he did, there's a LOT to be heard... his live stuff (1955-1965) is even better....

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  • 8 years later...

Thanks Bernie.  The Rat Pack years provided fun entertainment and some stylish music (for those of us who recall such things).  ?

Sinatra was the first singing teen idol of his day and some of his songs are classics, but I lean toward Dean Martin too.

http://youtu.be/bMXargdknpE

Sinatra and Ella 1967, doing one of my Sinatra favorites.

In this case TRAMP means hobo or a woman who isn't interested in social pretentions, or "hobohemia" as Ella defines her style choices.  ?

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