HT from Mo Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 I will bow to your superior knowledge of music.<whispered> I still do not care for him Couldn't resist! heehee!HT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raspathens Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 One more and then I'll stop - "Who the hell poured this drink, Mother Teresa?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Raspyrock Posted May 21, 2007 Share Posted May 21, 2007 Frank's singing is alright, just doesn't exactly set me free or anything. Good news is he doesn't make me cringe like some stuff --- like that rap crap. Someone asked me why I don't care for rap and I told them because it is boring and monotonous. And if I wanted to listen to talking w/ background music I could just get on any crowded downtown elevator w/ Muzak pumped in for that kinda stuff. Their jaws got pretty tight.I note that guys 10 to 20 years younger than me like singing/performing Frank's songs out in the karaoke bars, so his appeal remains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Eric Carmen said:He was Frank Freakin' Sinatra for God's sake! He was a saloon singer from Jersey! The best there ever was! Get over it! Now go get me a Scotch, sissy boy. ec I'll be right there with your Scotch, Mr. CDuane "sissy boy" SmithEric...there is NOBODY whose musical knowledge I respect more than yours. I am amazed when I listen to your music. I don't know all the technical aspects that you and many of knowledgeable people here talk about, but I know what I like. Your music...lyrics, arrangements, etc...sounds "perfect" to me. It moves me. That's what I want from music. I just don't get that from Sinatra...I don't hate it, it's just not "special" to me (and "special" is still a long way from "perfect"). I like "Strangers in The Night" and other songs that he actually sang, but I don't care much for his "phrasing" if that's what you call what he did to your songs and so many others. While it's admirable that he gave acknowledgement to the writer(s)...you hear so many stories of his rudeness to others. I've heard it said that you can tell a lot about a person by how they treat people that they don't have to be nice to. I tend to agree with that theory. Now, I know you listen to music on a different level than I do. I'm sure you hear things that I don't even notice. So if you say Frank Sinatra is great...I gotta believe you. He just doesn't move me. I'll put it this way: I would make a great effort to see you in concert (solo)...I'd spend more money than I'd want to, travel a great distance, etc. to see you in concert. I wouldn't walk across the street to see Frank Sinatra in concert...even if I had free, front row seats! I'm not bashing...I just wouldn't have any interest in seeing him. I'd gladly give you the tickets, though.Here's "I've Got You Under My Skin" that Raspathens recommended. I listened to it twice...I still don't get it: http://youtube.com/watch?v=FLjwVTVnpNI&mode=related&search= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmichel Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Frank Sinatra was on the radio alot when i was a little kid in the 60's...But i only grew to enjoy and respect his artistry after our AM station went to a nostalgia format...The more i heard of Frank...the more i wanted to hear...I get what EC is saying about the phrasing...Listen to those arrangements...and then try to imagine yourself singing along and making the vocal work...It's not easy...But Frank Sinatra made it seem like it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierson Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Here's "I've Got You Under My Skin" that Raspathens recommended. I listened to it twice...I still don't get it: http://youtube.com/watch?v=FLjwVTVnpNI&mode=related&search= if you don't like Sinatra it's tough to say if you'll catch how subtle & at ease he is w/ everything... that type of confidence and grace is what makes him amazing... it's style, but it's incredible...this clip of him w/ Jobim (i hope, couldn't check it from where I am) should be the same genius medley they did on one of his specials... godheadFrancis Albert Sinatra & Antonio Carlos Jobim http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXPMdxDrIPI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raspathens Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 Duane : That clip of Frank doing IGYUMS is nowhere near the studio version. He basically talks through it in your clip. I "got" Sinatra as I listened to my Dad's LP collection. If I had depended on concert footage, I'm afraid I wouldn't have the same admiration and respect for his work. His two "characterture" songs - "Strangers In the Night" and "My Way" suck - and he disliked them as well. His later concert footage shows an older man trying his best, most of the time. Focus in on '56 to '63 if you are interested in getting a good start on Sinatra appreciation. Stay away from concert footage for a while. Television specials, for the most part, are alright but I do recall him destroying "Old Man River" in a late '60s special. I could tell he knew by the pained look on his face when the song was over. Finally, I think that the talented one we appreciate on this board, who also writes and plays instruments, and Sinatra have a similar musical sense. There is a "top drawer" element to both in their respective styles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspyrock Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 I actually kinda like "Strangers In the Night" -- kind of a suave-vaaay deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmichel Posted May 22, 2007 Share Posted May 22, 2007 In my opinion...the best version of I've Got You Under My Skin is a live recording from the album The Best of The Rat Pack...Frank belts it out with more energy and feeling than some of his later recordings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierson Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 almost everything he did between 1957-1965 is top notch, especially the live stuff (w/ Count Basie, Red Notvo, Nelson Riddle)and the tv show "A Man & His Music" has some incredible performances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollies65 Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 To Duane and everyone else who watched that youtube clip of 'I've Got You Under My Skin'....That's not Frank Sinatra singing...after two notes you could tell....Sure enough it's some impersonator.Franks well known live version is classic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Posted May 23, 2007 Share Posted May 23, 2007 raspathens...I did a YouTube search for IGYUMS and that was the first one to come up. If that's not his best stuff (or even him as hollies65 says) maybe I haven't given him a fair chance. Seems like most times I saw him on TV (70's on) he sounded like this...mostly talking through the songs. I always thought "what's the big deal?" about Sinatra. That style does nothing for me. Of course, that was before the internet and YouTube and the older stuff wasn't readily available. Maybe I'll check out some of his older stuff...all of y'all can't be wrong. Besides, we all agree on EC so we must have similar tastes.Thanks...Duane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadfingerBarb Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 I agree with Duane, I'll take Dean Martin over Sinatra any day. I never liked Sinatra. As for crediting the songwriter, I know he credited Lennon/McCartney on more than one occasion for Harrison's "Something". Harrison was apparently pretty chuffed by his rendition, however. I think he found it amusing how he incorporated "Jack" in the bridge. Listen to George's "Live in Japan" version and you'll hear George do it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Ditto for me: Dino over Sinatra any day of the week.Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seattlesteve Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 I think Sinatra sang what he sang well, possibly for many, they just aren't necessarily our favoritie songs. He played here shortly before his death, and I bought my Dad tickets. Shirley McClaine was the warm-up act, and upon finishing and getting ready to introduce Sinatra, she asked the audience to go easy on him as he was having some troubles apparently on the tour.Like Elvis, you certainly can't judge them by there last couple years. Sinatra stood up for Sammy at a time when it was far from popular.He was a legend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmichel Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Almost all of the Frank Sinatra videos have been taken down at YouTube...There used to be a good variety...Now just a few are left up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvthemraspberries Posted May 28, 2007 Share Posted May 28, 2007 Francis Albert Sinatra, ladies and gentlemen! Bernie Am I missing something? I don't see anything here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierson Posted May 28, 2007 Share Posted May 28, 2007 Ditto for me: Dino over Sinatra any day of the week.Marv huh? that's like saying the Four Seasons over The Beatles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierson Posted May 28, 2007 Share Posted May 28, 2007 raspathens...I did a YouTube search for IGYUMS and that was the first one to come up. If that's not his best stuff (or even him as hollies65 says) maybe I haven't given him a fair chance. Seems like most times I saw him on TV (70's on) he sounded like this...mostly talking through the songs. Maybe I'll check out some of his older stuff...all of y'all can't be wrong. Besides, we all agree on EC so we must have similar tastes.Thanks...Duane OK... do I have to spell it out????If you want to turn someone on to The Rolling Stones you DON'T play them "Steel Wheels" or "Undercover Of The Night" or show them any live footage after 1981!!!!!!!!!If you want to turn someone on to Led Zeppelin you DON'T play them "In Thru The Out Door"!!!!!!If you want to turn someone on to Rod Stewart you DON'T play them anything after 1977!!!!!!!PLEASE DO NOT JUDGE Frank Sinatra by his windbag years of the 1970s & 1980s.... he went downhill FAST.... although there are glimmers here & there... but never anything worth the effort...His early early stuff will not make a big impression either, unless you're a Crooner fanatic...It was after his comeback in film (circa '53 as Maggio in "From Here To Eternity") that he became an amazing singer and really took off...1955's "In The Wee Small Hours" is probably the best place to start... It also happens to be the first real concept album (way before the Beatles, duh).... anything up until his album w/ Jobim is worth anyone's attention... now where's my shot, punk??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierson Posted May 28, 2007 Share Posted May 28, 2007 I think Sinatra sang what he sang well, possibly for many, they just aren't necessarily our favoritie songs. Not really..... it's just that most people only know the stuff that's been hammered down their throats... and that's only (maybe) 10-15 songs at best... very few sang Cole Porter better... amongst the 50-60 or so studio albums he did, there's a LOT to be heard... his live stuff (1955-1965) is even better.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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paperdoll82 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Nice to know I'm not the only one who never really liked Frank. I think it's cool for Eric that he covered his songs. But I still don't like Frank.Cheryl 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspbernie Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 I relinked the media file for those of you who haven't heard Old Blue Eyes do EC.Bernie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Ellen Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Thanks Bernie. The Rat Pack years provided fun entertainment and some stylish music (for those of us who recall such things). ?Sinatra was the first singing teen idol of his day and some of his songs are classics, but I lean toward Dean Martin too.http://youtu.be/bMXargdknpESinatra and Ella 1967, doing one of my Sinatra favorites.In this case TRAMP means hobo or a woman who isn't interested in social pretentions, or "hobohemia" as Ella defines her style choices. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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