Lawyer fan Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Three artist(s) really come to mind : Lennon/ McC; Dylan; Brian Wilson; They had the good fortune of arriving on the scene quite early in the rock/pop evolution. Their royalties still must be astronomical. Enjoy. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Endless list, but I'll add Jagger/Richards, Pete Townsend, Burt Bacharach and Paul Simon.Marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadfingerBarb Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Chuck Berry, Leiber & Stoller, and Goffin/King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannoman Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Back in the day (50's 60's) there was Doc Pomus (Jerome Felder) & Mort Shuman. Not always quality stuff but sold millions and millions (Hound Dog for one) for: Elvis, Ray Charles, The Drifters and Coasters also wrote a lot of early doo-wop stuff for Dion and the Belmonts, The Mystics, etc.Ted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawyer fan Posted February 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Yes, I guess in retro-spect, Chuck Berry started it, Elvis "legitimized" and The Beatles, Dylan, BBs, Stones, etc... proved that it had staying power. Wonder what has happened since the 90s ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspbernie Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 Lotsa great early names, but to be truly fair to the rock genre you'd have to include Page/Plant (although I'd be hard-pressed to call them "pop composers.")Also, everyone mentions Lennon and McCartney (and rightfully so), but George Harrison's "All Things Must Pass" album was so frighteningly good that it set the bar VERY HIGH for each of the former Beatles when their solo careers began. Lennon's "Plastic Ono Band" and "Imagine" LPs measured up, but Paul wouldn't scale those heights until "Band On The Run" (keeping in mind that "Ram" does have some spectacular moments!)Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Nivan Posted February 2, 2005 Report Share Posted February 2, 2005 For Pure Pop: Benny and Bjorn of ABBA. I don't know exactly how "influential" they are, but the music just keeps going, and going, and going, and ...I think I read recently that the combined worldwide productions of Mamma Mia are grossing $1 million ... weekly...I've only seen it twice ... and reco it highly! Someone also made the point once that B&B have a bagful of hits as full as any team that walked the halls of the Brill Building, including my idols Berry & Greenwich, Goffin & King, Mann & Weil, Sedaka and Greenfield, etc.And God ... those girls could sing!Thoughts? Reactions?"Keith" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Awww, Bernie, you took my Page/Plant, so I'll add John Paul Jones. While most of the focus of Led Zep was on Plant and Page, JPJ did the most amazing things, I think his contributions to LZ was highly underrated. If you ever see their movie, "The Song Remains The Same," (it's on every once in awhile), just look at what he's doing, and really listen. He's unbelievable, really. Every time I hear them, I'm reminded how incredible they were. The cross-rhythms, just everything. Difficult to call it pop, but very influential. I was a Led Zep fan (Emerson Lake & Palmer and The Kinks too) AND a Berries fan.I think Dylan, Brian Wilson, Lennon/McCartney are among the most influential as well. As for power pop, I still put the Berries on top, by miles, and their tunes (and Eric's melodies) are among the most recognized of ANY group/composer. THAT is influence for sure. --D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Chuck Berry and Elvis--oops, wasn't thinking. They really were "it" at the beginning of it all.During his "Thriller" days, Michael Jackson's creative work showcased his amazing talent, so much so that he influenced so much of what was going on in the '80s, including stage show presentations and video. Whatever else has happened, I have to give credit where it's due. --D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Some that haven't been mentioned:Carol KingFry & HenleyElton JohnBruce SpringsteenNot sure how influential, but Jeff Lynne could write a song! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregkevinw Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 good list james... as for jeff lynne he may be one of the most influencial producers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argee Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Roger Waters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill C Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 You know the Bee Gees weren't always disco. I don't think you can have this list without including them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordharris Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 The RAM album certainly does it for me, that record sure does have some melodic tunes on it, like it, extremely.Paul and Linda sing great together.The Bee Gees, without the disco had put out and are still putting out great music.I prefer the non-disco myself.But, "Spirits Having Flown" the album which I have, is good to my listening pleasure, especially when, "Tragedy" is sung. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougjack Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Well, going with the topic, Chuck Berry, Dylan, Lennon/McCartney and Brian Wilson. Their stuff is copied way more than any other. Elvis didn't compose, even though he was obviously influential in other ways. Some possibly overlooked folks would be Bob Marley, Stevie Wonder, maybe Phil Spector. Don't get me started on Zep - I'm one of the few who thinks they're way overrated, particularly as composers. What about Andrew Lloyd Webber - would he count? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Jack you and I both on Led Zep. Marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Led Zep was more of a classical musician's delight, in my opinion. What they were doing was so complex (and masterful) that they were on a totally different plane from other bands, in so many different ways. I hate to bring this up, but it's that Classical music influence/talent/training. It's just a high class undefinable quantity that's either there, or it isn't. I could hear in Raspberries and Eric's music what I could hear in Led Zep: absolute mastery of every element of musical composition and performance. Led Zep's perfection as to their precision, tightness, cross-rhythms, use of modes (harkens to Eric's spectacular modulations), and the complex layering and rhapsodic element in their style just blows me away--still! Instead of looking at Page and Plant, listen to John Paul Jones. He's utterly amazing. Like an orchestrator! Like a Leonard Bernstein, or something. Toscanini! Whether or not one "likes" a song is immaterial to the calibre of musicianship inherent in members of the group. One can dislike every song on an album, and still have to admit that they are by far, beyond the Milky Way in sheer genius of talent. Even if you don't like what they do, if you're really musical, you can't deny that it's there. I see that in Led Zep and in Raspberries/Eric's music, whether I like the songs or not. It's just there, a fact of life, and non-negotiable, whether you want to admit it or not. Led Zep detractors, like those of Raspberries, just didn't get it, because it was over their heads.If I could personify and address the music of Led Zep and that of Eric and Raspberries, I would paraphrase Greg Lake (ELP)--"Still...you turn me on." --Darlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspbernie Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Marvin,Ever play any Led Zeppelin in any of your bands -- an awful lot of their catalog is NOT for the casual musician. IMHO, they are certainly NOT overrated as nearly every hard rock band that came after them felt their influence.Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted February 3, 2005 Report Share Posted February 3, 2005 Not much of their catalog is for the casual musician, if you want to play it well. --Darlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Elton John/Bernie Taupin should be right up there with the rest. From 1970-1977, Those two guys were writing and recording timeless music that rivaled what the Beatles put out in the 60's. Those songs, and the way they were recorded, are still fresh today, even with the 30 year old technology. The Raspberries could have used some of that recording/producing genius back then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 I agree with that. They were phenomenal during that time period: 12 studio albums in that 7 year period,.... each being very good to classic great... I'll go off subject a bit but the guy could not only write but I've never seen a music performance that has come close to the Elton John concert I saw at the Richfield Coliseum in 1976...the type of performance that was so good your eyes would water up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Me too. I remember first discovering Elton's first album. I was mesmerized. I wore the record out! --D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Bernie the only Zep songs I recall trying were "Rock and Roll" and one other ballad whose title escapes me right now. Andy could probably remember it. For me, Led Zep epitomized the excess parts of the 1970's that I could not stand. Just my opinion. I'll take a 2 minute Pop song over Bonham doing a 20 minute drum solo any day of the week - even though there's no denying Bonham's abilities as a drummer. Page was a fast guitarist for sure, but also the sloppiest guitarist I ever heard. Give me a Brian May anyd day of the week. Plant? Never liked him as a vocalist. Jones, I admired as a player and an arranger. Ok go ahead, flame away all you Zep fans.Marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 I'm with Marvin...(In my dreams)...on Zeppelin. I liked their wide variety of catchy rock and pop tunes, but Robert Plant's voice seems to grate on my brain chalkboard in the way Robin Gibb does when he sings lead and freaks out a decent Bee Gees tune.Elton has a great voice that enhances every song he sings. Even the bad ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspbernie Posted February 4, 2005 Report Share Posted February 4, 2005 Okay, umm… GREAT riffs:OceanRoverDazed and ConfusedHeartbreakerLiving Loving MaidBlack DogGREAT chords:Communication BreakdownWhole Lotta LoveMisty Mountain HopSong Remains the SameRain SongGoing to CaliforniaHouses of the HolyJust plain GREAT:KashmirStairway to HeavenOver the Hills and Far Away- - - -Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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