Tony Cartmill Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Sorry Greg. It's just the politicaly correct tolerance mindset thing...If something makes me sick, and I know in my gut that it is wrong, I'm sick of people telling me I have to accept/tolerate/embrace and give special treatment to that "something" in the spirit of diversity. Sure, if we sit there and take all the bulls---, we can learn something from the likes of BB. But if I sat down for an hour chat with Osama, I'm sure he would make some interesting points also.Doesn't mean I must accept them into the family...The big picture is: Diversity can be a double edge sword. You have to have some COMMON LOYALTIES/LANGUAGE/CULTURE/GOALS...If your country is going to survive. Duh... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierson Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Raspbernie said: You know I love ya (and I do) but you're barking up the wrong tree here. I Do Bernie... and out of enormous respect to you & the people who have kept this site alive & helped give the Berries the much needed kick in the tush to get reunited, I don't want to sound like I believe Beatlebum was right & everyone else was wrong... i was very hesitant to put up that post on his behalf.... because i do think he was unable to curb his negative enthusiasm.... & i can only imagine what was said in the emails he sent others & the posts I didn't get to see... and honestly, i was surprised when you did allow him back on after the first major blow up.... Your heart was always in the right place & I know you gave him every chance possible.... still, there were things that created a bigger monster & some of the stuff that was "edited" made one think that this place was becoming like a sunday school... little short asides that are cheeky should be tolerated & embraced because they make things fun.... pulling them off made one think there was a morality police here, not a smart civil adjuster.... Obviously, Beatlebum wanted his cake, the car, the ring whatever and wanted to devour it whole, without any repercussions... & he made your life as moderator an impossible nightmare.... & since this is a community, I understand why such a bull in a china shop could not be tolerated... in the end it was impossible to steer him in the right direction... and no one here deserves to be abused that way... still, it's too bad because he added a much needed flavor to the postings here & he really helped stir some sh*t up.... THAT's pretty cool... too bad he didn't know when to stop... or learn to respect other people's feelings... damn that beatlebum... tell richard meltzer (and lester bangs & lenny bruce the news) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 So Pierson, give us a list of bands and albums BeatleBum revived in your memory, that you recommend we check out if we can... We still have you, you music encyclopedia of knowledge FREAK! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierson Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Tony Cartmill said: Sorry Greg. It's just the politicaly correct tolerance mindset thing... Tony, I am as anti-PI as they come... but I do try to think outside a box... Tolerance is NOT a politically correct idea... forcing a specific "Tolerance" on people IS... You had every right to react the way you did to Beatlebum... that's fine... but if one follows his reactionary lead, then it usually snowballs... and it becomes useless fast... just like the majority of right-wing/left-wing banter on cable news & radio.... if you try to actually talk to someone who you disagree with, it might be beneficial.... or it might be infuriating... the best discussions/debates are those where the talk may be heated & passionate, but never vitriolic or disrespectful.... either way, it's better than screaming obscenities & flipping the bird, however cathartic those reactions may be.... some people can bring out the worse in all of us because they do indeed press all the wrong buttons & have no sense of tactfulness... beatlebum was very good at that the more you block out diverging opinions the more close-minded you get... there's nothing wrong w/ being conservative or liberal, just vent your opinions & beefs with courtesy & understanding.... if you do run into someone who won't listen or learn or respect your space/ideas, then screw them... move on... we do all have our limits... rock on... and keep your ears open... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierson Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Tony Cartmill said: So Pierson, give us a list of bands and albums BeatleBum revived in your memory, that you recommend we check out if we can... the thing about what Beatlebum liked was that it came from a guy who was near 50 who live in NYC & was gay & got to see/hear a lot of interesting stuff... he really liked a lot of campy stuff... but I think he liked all the great disco & synth pop bands which I know a lot of rock/pop or pop/rock fans would find useless... for those of us rock/pop fans who want the GOOD disco & synth pop records, he liked things like First Choice (great early '70s pre-disco soul girl group)... George McCrae & he liked Soft Cell, Human League, Heaven 17 etc... lotsa good '90s Brit pop: Blur, Suede, Pulp, Oasis but on top of that, he GOT the late '60s soft pop (sunshine pop) & '70s mor soft pop that to me is intrinsic to Eric Carmen's best stuff... even though some of it teeters into cheese... it is very good guilty pleasure AM pop stuff like Orpheus, Alessi, Cowsills, Dino Desi & Billy, Carpenters... & he liked all the good glam rock stuff... even Edgar Winter's "Shock Treatment" LP... the newest thing he'd want everyone to check out was the Scissor Sisters... THAT he was crazy about... I'm not a huge fan, but they seem to channel in a mid-'70s AM pop vibe with '90s Brit pop... & they are totally unfashionable... in a fashionable way... Kinda like George Michael meets Hello (the band who did "New York Groove" originally).... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dianed Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Thank goodness he is out of the picture !! I got a headache each time I read his posts. It was like reading hieroglyphics!! I pictured him as "BeetleJuice" !!!! SCARY!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Some good suggestions there, Pierson...Do you think Beatlebum's taste in music was colored by the image and counter-culture flamboyance of some of the bands he liked, or was it just the music? I try to focus on the music and energy...not the costumes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Personally I didn't see the big fuss over 'beatlebum's' musical tastes/knowledge. There are many people on this site whose knowledge is diverse and much more interesting. I'll take Pat's musical knowledge over 'bb' any day, thank you.Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 The decadent mid to late '70's NY disco music scene with all the clothes and the drugs and the open hi-hat thumping...That's something I'm trying to forget, not remember. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierson Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Tony Cartmill said: Do you think Beatlebum's taste in music was colored by the image and counter-culture flamboyance of some of the bands he liked, or was it just the music? It was definitely the music first... all of his choices made sense... but it's definitley a personal thing & it fit his personality, as far as i could tell-- despite his nasty reactionary side & the horrid typing... but that's what we all sorta strive for-- music that resonates with our deepest feelings... he did just that... no one i know says they love art garfunkel's solo work because it's fashionable... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Alot of people on this "bland MOR" board have praised some of Art's solo work. I have 3 of his 70's CDs. It's right up our alley. ...Just as long as Art doesn't go prancing around on stage in pink hot pants and a half-shirt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuliaD Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 pierson, I'm not sure what posts you saw, and what ones were gone that you didn't get to see, and I'm not posting this to argue with you or anything, but some of bb's posts did, as bernie stated, violate the rules set forth by ultimate bulletin board, and those violations could have gotten bernie and this entire board shut down. Ultimate bulletin board could have simply deleted the entire forum if they got complaints. Don't forget, this is a PUBLIC place, and while it's not real likely children would be seeking out an Eric Carmen site, it's not impossible in a search for, say "raspberries", that a child could come across these posts. Slim chance, yes, but a chance UBB will not take to be sure. Some posts of bb's I saw myself had vile insinuations, one, for instance, mentioned Tony's mother's t*** (rhymes with "what")... stuff like that just isn't right. He also got way out of line in a post to aggiesjc. I can only imagine what his private e-mails must have looked like, judging by what he was willing to say in public.I know bernie dislikes banning anyone, but when it comes to a point where ALL 3 moderators do all day long is edit the posts of one member, drastic measures are called for. It's unfortunate, but I don't see where bernie had much choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 You're right on the button, Julia. Musical knowledge and tastes intrigue us all, but their value becomes moot when possessed by someone so vicious, threatening and lacking in any kind of respect that the majority of people want nothing to do with him/her. Dangerous people can be very intelligent, but are a menace just the same. One can learn a lot from an ax murderer, too, but I'd rather not. --D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspbernie Posted September 10, 2005 Author Share Posted September 10, 2005 I actually don't think that UBB has any authority over this board as I had to pay a substantial fee to "own" it. So, it ain't going anywhere :-) As for its content, the AGREEMENT you accept when you sign on is pretty clear. BUT there is a massive amount of leeway given that this is a rock and roll board. You know, "Sex, drugs and rock'n roll!" So I don't condemn anyone for the enrthusiastic or meaningful use of curse words. Heck, how are we to discuss "Starting Over" without doing that?!? But when you start singling out body parts of other members along with their relatives you are MOST DEFINITELY undercutting the spirit of this free forum.Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregkevinw Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 tony, i agree with about the pc mindset... it is ridiculous. it almost takes peoples behavior out of the equation.as for as posters like bb, i never took his act seriously... but he knew music and was funny occasionally...pierson mentioned the editing of posts and that is an issue (we lost an entire thread last weekend!) we've always had a long leash as far as our little remarks and jokes go, but suddenly thats become offensive and they are being removed....thats sad.i do think it is ironic that we are having a discussion about open mindedness on a raspberries website... a fantastic group that was ruined by peoples perception of who they were....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy K. Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Pierson, you mentioned Soft Cell.....what did they ever do besides "Tainted Love"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspbernie Posted September 10, 2005 Author Share Posted September 10, 2005 Gregkevinw said: pierson mentioned the editing of posts and that is an issue (we lost an entire thread last weekend!) we've always had a long leash as far as our little remarks and jokes go, but suddenly thats become offensive and they are being removed....thats sad. I'm not aware of ANY posts besides BUM's that were edited or removed. Unfortunately, when a poster who starts a thread has his post removed the entire thread is deleted. That's just a quirk of how this bulletin board was designed. The large thread on concerts was accidentally deleted this way by a Moderator who didn't know that would be the consequence of removing one of BUM's tirades. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannoman Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Sorry folks, Since a moderator has the option to delete a topic (check box) I never suspected that when the first post in a thread is deleted, the whole thread (topic) is deleted too (not a good design). I was dismayed as much as the rest of you because this was an otherwise great thread. I Learned a lesson on that one. My fault. Ted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris hess Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 i'm just bummed the guy had beatle in his name..what a insult to the fab four!!! i think its time to move on from the bum!!! lol to all good people on this site!!peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Allen Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 ...tony's mother's t***? The mind reels. At least it wasn't bea arthur's t***. Now that would be just wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspbernie Posted September 10, 2005 Author Share Posted September 10, 2005 Speaking about Art Garfunkel, our odious former poster was also banned from his web site. How many others? Hmmm. I wonder why he hasn't learned any lessons in netiquette?Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 He's on thin ice on the 'berries site as well. Many complaints about him over there.Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannoman Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Marv, if you'll notice, I think Kay deleted all his posts, too.Ted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspbernie Posted September 10, 2005 Author Share Posted September 10, 2005 He is also banned from Paul Simon's web site. Seeing a pattern here?Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 I jUst dON't unDerstaN. No buddy Luvs me um dugh gee cause there there LONGER nbow that you are all sicAn I dunt care ABout postink My gOing AllTheWay or who itwas or wHen Just kidding. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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