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:rolleyes: "Average"? "Watered down Barry Manilow?" whatever I don't understand why you'd be interested enough to be on this website if that's the way you feel about Eric and his music. "Walk Away Renee" is one of the best covers I've ever heard and I am totally blown away by the fact that Eric played all the instruments on that song. I saw Barry Manilow a few months ago at Radio City Music Hall in NYC and he was spectacular.

Michelle in Ottawa -- I'll be there the last Wednesday-Friday in July. If you need a babysitter to go to the concert...what am I saying!! laugh I'll find one and we'll both go!!

Annie

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Sorry, I didn't mean to call Ringo a "clown." I certainly didn't mean it that way, and I think I clarified what I meant. I was and am the consummate Beatles fan, and would never put them down. But Ringo is NOT in the Beatles anymore, nor are any of the other Beatles!

Paul's done great work, so has George. So has John, So has Ringo. And Ringo put together a GREAT tour. Not only does he have the ultimate talent, that he recognizes it is evident by his asking Eric to join the tour. And it was a GREAT show. I'm just saying that Ringo was "hamming it up" and enjoying himself, didn't look that serious about what he was doing.

He can go on his "name," now, and people will just come because of who he is. Eric, on the other hand, probably worked harder than ANY performer on that stage, and maybe because I am a classical musician as well, (and there's a lot more stress and perfection required to performing classical than rock -- it's just a fact of life!), I can see that Eric approaches his rock and pop performances with the precision of a classical player, which the others, even Ringo, who aren't classically trained, simply cannot, because they don't have the background. It has nothing to do with talent, they ALL have natural talent, Eric just has more precision and probably much more perfectionism than they do. (I just think he has more talent as well.) --Darlene

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AWLRIGHT...here's my speculation, or shall I say: opinion without predjudice: Eric doesn't like Todd. Todd hates Eric...Christopher Cross has learned to deal with egos (he toured with Mike Love for Goshsake...!!) Eric is still pissed cause Todd "stole" The Locomotion from right under him...AND also cause he recorded "I Saw The Light"...Eric wants things his way...he probably wants to do the Beatle tunes EXACTLY like the record and cringes to think that they will be performed otherwise. Farner is just happy to be working...Jack Bruce would like to drop kick everybody! Eric wants to play piano and guitar and bass and drums and sing all the Beatle tunes...Todd wants to play something... anything...Parsons is thinking..."what a bunch of children...let's get Syd Barrett...it would be easier"...also don't forget that Eric's brother is a lawyer and Eric has become a specialist at putting in clause this and clause that...you know that when lawyers get involved that in the end it's all about the $$$ and no other reason. It's never about creative differences...what creative??? It's a performance of EXISTING songs ...creative what???

C'mon all you Rock and Roll freaks out there !!!...it's all about the Mooola...the rest of the reason's don't matter. Plain and simple, Eric wasn't being paid enough...and THAT is my real speculation...

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Alright...lets try to restore some sanity around here.

First off...let me start by stating that I have purchased everything Eric has put out musically and always will. Do I think that that is blind alliegence? No, not at all. When I purchase an EC CD I know that I will be totally thrilled with a few of the cuts, and that is reason enough for me. My only knock on Eric is this supposed "perfectionest" thing. We wait years for his new music, and when it released...it is far from perfect.

His albums (now CD's), always have some great tunes, a remake or so, and some songs that could be considered filler. Far from perfect. But I understand this, and the good outway the mediocre by far.

Now relax, I am not knocking Eric...his music is has touched me over the years like no other musical talent has. But let's be honest, his catalog could be more extensive! As for "Winter Dreams", I could'nt stop playing that CD. It seemed a perfect CD for a man at Eric's stage of life. This is what I mean about his music touching a chord with me (father, with 3 children).

Would'nt you worry about a man in his 50's singing about "going all the way"? (By the way "GATW" is the ultimate pop song...by far) it is unfair to ask Eric to produce another GATW, it was a moment in time...millions have not been able to produce one!

Bottom line for me is...keep producing Eric and I will keep buying/listening...but give yourself a break...as a great singer/songwriter once wrote..."perfection is consuming...and it seems we're only human after all"...

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bahoodore-- Very funny post...unfortunately you start erring at your first point. Eric told me he had a GREAT time with Todd in Hawaii and told me that Todd was very "cool" and that one of the things Eric most enjoyed was looking over while on stage and seeing Todd standing next to him.

Gregkevinw-- I, too, really liked WINTER DREAMS, but my listening suffered a bit when I heard the final CD. I spent a couple of months listening to the demos beforehand and was a tad underwhelmed with the final production. I think the album would have benefited from some additional players (most notable a real drummer!)

Think Jim Bonfanti on "Top Down Summer" and you'll start seeing what I mean! --Bernie

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I'm still wondering why some shows got cancelled totally. Was it a big hissy fit by all performers ("I'm not playing if he's not playing?"), a logistics problem, or something else? I thought at first it had to do totally with the decision about whether Eric was going to play or not. Can anyone confirm/deny this?

Michelle

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Hey just because I think that "Winter Dreams" is watered-down Barry Manilow, doesn't make me less of a fan. I contribute to this list because I am willing to take the good ("Tonight You're Mine") with the bad ("Winter Dreams"), and hope that there will be better down the road. As Bernie has mentioned, the production on "Winter Dreams" leaves a lot to be desired. Jim Bonfanti or for that matter, any drummer would have made a world of difference to the overall sound. I am not asking Eric to re-do "Go All the Way", but for those of us who have listened to him for 30+ years and waited close to 15 years for new music, "Winter Dreams" was a bitter disappointment. Thanks for reading.

Marvin

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GregkevinW-- your "resore some sanity" post really hits the nail on the head. When I am asked who my favorite artist is, I respond "Eric Carmen/Raspberries". Being a perfectionist is what drives a person to the level they perform their art. This is true in all walks of life. But every now and then it also becomes a hinderence.

I have been fortunate enough to have heard some demos that I think are great tunes. "It Should Have Been Me", "High Cost Of Loving" & and of course "..The Devil and the Deep Blue Sea". I think all three of songs would have made great additions to any album, but Eric seems to not think enough of them to record them again.

I can't help but wonder how many more songs of this caliber he has written, but have never seen the recording studio. The way I see it, if you take all of Eric's unreleases stuff that I have heard, and record it for an album, it just might be his best album yet.

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This is my opinion, so don't get yourselves in a tizzy. Eric has his reasons, for not conyinueing with this show. And whatever his reasons are, I support him 100%, no questions asked.

And someone a few threads back,mentioned, "It's all about the money". BUL&%$$ Eric is an ARTIST, who loves his music and loves his fans. I think what was said is awful. You are saying Eric Carmen is greedy. Shame on you...

I love Eric and have been totaly devoted to him for 30 years, that is longer, than either of my husbands have lasted with me.

Eric, whatever your reasons are, I know they were good ones. Please, don't listen to the few that complain. I know they are disappointed, but, I know, someday, we will get to see you perform, maybe "All By Yourself"

Hugs and love you...

Donna wink

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And, one last thing, Eric gave us his reason for not doing that show. See EricCarmen.com/ homepage. I bet you would still be pissed, if the show went on, as the promoters had planned, and was disappointed in Eric, saying he "sold-out". Give him a break. His reason is good enough for me.

Forever, a loyal Eric Carmen fan.

Donna

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Where did you guys ever get copies of Eric's unreleased songs? I would have LOVED to hear them. Every once in awhile someone posts more speculation on Eric's reason to leave the tour. I have to accept the reasons he gave us. And since there were only four or five performers on the tour after he left, we don't know that they didn't change the structure and give everyone more "offstage" time, because they were working harder. I'm sure they didn't pay them any more. Actually, Eric didn't have to give any of us ANY reason, and I really respect him for filling Bernie in on everything every step of the way. --Darlene

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