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My post earlier is not based on blind faith, but I do remember reading somewhere that Eric wouldn't tour if it wasn't a good production and if it was not up to his standards. Whether that is the problem or not, I don't know. I haven't decided if I will attend or not if Eric doesn't play. I just hope he decides soon, since the MN concern is a week away, and Chicago even sooner. I'm trying to be patient. Luckily, I saw him in Milwaukee with Ringo. smile Either way, my life will not end if he chooses not to play. In the universal scope of the world, it's just not that earth shattering either way. wink PS-Bernie, I don't hold you at all responsible. We all have free will to purchase or not purchase tickets. I know you do your best! I lost more money than the tickets at the casino on Thursday! laugh

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Well seeing as how "Taste of Chicago" (July 6) is still listing Eric as a performer and it was to be the first show of his rejoining the lineup, my guess is we should have an answer this week wink --Bernie

PS: I found this on THE DRIVE (97.1) web site...looks like the promoters actually added Eric's name to some graphics advertising the tour. Maybe they really do want Eric after all?!?

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I have to agree with Canadian Marvin. There is a blind faith among EC. We love the guy and his music , but few of us (if any) know what kind of fellow he is to work with. Former Raspberry members often put on a happy face around EC, but deep down, I think they believe he slighted them. Also, his best work was 25 years ago. The last few cd's were average at best. I bought them and continue to go to the site here, because I guess it takes me back to being 21 when I loved the Berries. Maybe I'm living in the past. In reality I don't think EC has the fan base to pull in over 1,000 fans in most cities in America today (other than Cleveland). It's sad, but it kind of reminds me of the Gino Vannelli story. Here's a guy nominated for a Grammy in the late 70's. I saw him at sold out Cobo Hall during that time. 17,000 fans. 2 years ago I saw him at Cullen Auditorium in Houston and there were maybe 700 people. I even chatted with him before and after the show. My point being, you have to really love music to be able to still crank out a new cd and toour every 3-4 years. How many tours and cd's has EC done in the last 10 years? There's your answer. His priorities have changed and that's not always a bad thing.

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Thanks, Bernie. They'd BETTER want Eric if they want a good show. They NEED his harmonies and his talent. Outside of Ringo, (who is just, well -- RINGO, what can you say?!), he was the BEST musician on the stage in the All Starr Band. His talent just exudes so much CLASS and is so far above anyone else, it's OBVIOUS.

Alas, promoters (besides being "a dime a dozen"), are like record producers etc. They are "marketers," and all they care about is profit. PERIOD. They don't care anything about treating the artists well, and they remind me of an old boyfriend I used to have -- he could be dancing with MARILYN MONROE, but he would always be looking over her shoulder to see if there was another, more beautiful girl in the room! And unfortunately, promoters (and often record executives) don't have the talent nor even the brains to recognize spectacular talent in the artists. I hope they work this out, but if they don't, it's certainly not Eric's fault, at least not from my knowledge of the business as a musician myself. --Darlene

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Randy,

I disagree with your statement, "His best work was done 25 years ago". I think that his "I was born to love you" CD was almost flawless, and contained several of his best songs ever. I agree with your point that perhaps his fan base isn't as big as we diehards think it is. I could never understand why EC's records didn't sell more than they did. And that's exactly why I suggested that he have a small, intimate concert with 50 of his most diehard fans -- we love him so much, I wouldn't care if he just played on a portable keyboard! If he is really a perfectionist, I could provide free psychotherapy to him as I drive him from Cleveland to Altoona!

Steve

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I just found out the other day that the tour was playing in Canada, and I actually talked my husband into going (it's only 2 hours away in Montreal). Yeah, so it means getting a babysitter for our baby son, but it's worth it to see Eric.

The next day I came back to the website to show my husband where he will be playing, and I see that he might be pulling out of the show. I've checked the venue site, but it doesn't say if Eric is on the bill or not.

So Eric, from one parent to another -- come on up to Canada! As much as I love my son, I need a break, and what better way to celebrate than to spend the night listening to you!

Come on, let me know soon. I still have to round up a babysitter!

Michelle

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Randy, (Boy, I'm posting a lot tonight!) Eric is so talented, I don't think anyone could call any of his efforts "average." And there's so much more to cranking out a new CD and a tour every few years than "just loving music," that's for sure! Only ERIC knows what his priorities are, but whatever they are, music has always been his LIFE, and that's right, he doesn't just "crank out" CDs. A true musician doesn't just "crank out" ANYTHING. He hones his craft until it produces something shining. There are some big names that DO "crank out," but anyone with any intelligence who is not on drugs wouldn't purchase it!

A musician can't just decide to "go on tour!" The cost is astronomical. Just because someone doesn't tour, or produce a CD a minute doesn't mean they don't love music. Mahler worked on a symphony for TEN YEARS, then didn't like it and wanted to throw it in the ashcan! THAT's a genius. That's what Eric is. --Darlene

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PS I didn't mean it to sound like Ringo outshines Eric. What I mean, is Ringo is a "personality" now, much more than he is a musician. He's just sort of a glittery character, rather than a musician at all...I saw him as rather a "clown" and good natured ex-Beatle on the stage (still a great musician and talent!), but Eric outshone EVERYONE on stage, including Ringo (sorry Ringo, but you definitely had your turn in the international limelight once upon a time.) And THAT was obvious! --Darlene

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Are Randy and I the only ones who are willing to call a spade a spade? Just because we criticize Eric does not mean we appreciate him any less than anyone else on this list. In fact, I'll go so far as to say that I'm probably among his biggest fans in the world. I've been listening to him since 1970 and don't intend to give up yet.

SteveH give me a break about "I Was Born to Love You" (or "Winter Dreams") being "almost flawless" and that it contains "some of his best songs ever." What in the world have you been listening to??? This cd is a very lacklustre effort and especially disappointing considering we had been waiting over 14 yrs for new music.

When the cd was released, I was so thrilled to finally see new product from Eric, but was totally disheartened when I looked at the list of songs: Two cover songs, two songs that were at least 10-15 yrs old, and then when I actually listened to the cd, the rest sounded like watered-down Barry Manilow. All this from someone who used to be able to rock with the best of them.

Sure Eric's priorities have changed over the last 20+ years and maybe as a fan I should accept that he now wants to write in a different style. I am willing to accept whatever Eric decides to do, but don't tell me that his present product even compares to what he did with the 'berries or with his first few solo albums.

In my opinion, Eric needs to be challenged musically by someone (like Wally probably used to do to him) but unfortunately that'll probably never happen so we get stuff like "I Was Born to Love You" instead of "Tonight You're Mine."

Thanks for reading.

Regards, Marvin

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Maybe what some of the problem is this:

Announcements have been made over the years on this or The Raspberries website hinting (or stating) various tidbits: The Raspberries are getting back together, Eric's doing the Dirty Dancing tour, Eric's doing the Abbey Road Revisited tour, etc.

Now part of a website's function is to have the latest breaking news so that fans (the ones who presumably care the most) get a heads up on what's happening.

But maybe Eric and his management, or the promoters, or somebody, needs to really work out all the details behind the scenes, and then once they commit to a project, stick with it. And then, make the annoucement knowing it really is "a done deal".

The message board here is full of stories of people traveling fairly long distances and/or shelling out hard earned money based on the hype provided by Eric and/or his management about his participation. And no, they can't possibly know every possible situation that might derail his participation, but before they start getting people all psyched about these shows, couldn't they research it a little more carefully ?

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Marvin, Do you remember Rick Nelson's song, "Garden Party?" It's a totally true story, as you probably know. Nobody liked old Rick doing the kind of music he needed to express. They wanted the old rockin' teenybopper Rick, because it made THEM feel young, thinking of the "good old days," and negated any decent show of his recent development. And he said "If memories are all I sang, I'd rather drive a truck." Just because it doesn't sound as "rockin'" or as whatever you-want-it-to-be like the 1970's, it's got problems.

Watered down Barry Manilow???!!! Oh -- PLEEEEAAAASSSSEEEE!!! NEVER!!! --Darlene

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Hey Darlene: Ringo Starr a clown? Man, you lost any credibility you had with that statement. In case you forgot, Ringo Starr was one of the BEATLES. If not for him and three other guys you may not have heard of, Eric Carmen (along with hundreds of others) would not only be without a website, he'd be without a career.

My two cents: I Was Born To Love You is an average album.

All you need is love,

Tom

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Darlene I am not asking Eric to put out music that sounds like what he did in the past. It's his perogative if he now feels that he appeals to the AC (Adult Contemporary) market. But just because most of his fans are probably in their 40's by now (like myself), that doesn't mean we all like that style of music.

Also, I saw the Ringo tour a couple of years ago and I'd say that Dave Edmunds and Jack Bruce shone every bit as much as Eric.

Marvin

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YES, I'm a fan of Eric and his music. I take objection to comments about blindly following anything he does regarding his concerts and his music. His music has touched me over the years and I thank him for sharing his music with us. No, I don't know him but I do trust him and will support any decision he makes...because it is his life and I truly believe he does care about us and wants to give us his best. In my job, I make decisions and everyone understands the choices I make is for all concerned. I would hope everyone would quit complaining and try to understand. You do have choices. When I'm upset over something, I go or do something else that makes me happy.

Robin M.

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Marvin,

Yes, Eric's music has changed over the years. Yes, he has recorded great rock songs with the Raspberries and earlier in his solo career. I think that what EC does best is write and sing romantic ballads, in fact I think he is the best BY FAR at ballads. And except for three songs, "I Was Born to Love You" is all about romance.

Let's agree on this: musical tastes are subjective. IWBTLY is one of my favorite all-time CD's -- sorry you don't like it.

Steve

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Hey SteveH, I have no problem with you or anyone else liking "IWBTLY / Winter Dreams", but saying that it is one of Eric's best efforts is really overstating the case. Romantic songs are fine, but an entire album's worth makes for dull listening. The songs on "IWBTLY" are way too placid, and the only song that shows some real strength in melody is "I Could Always Love You." Even this song would have been so much better with 'real' drums and if Wally's playing was used to the fullest. Anyway after all these years, I am happy that Eric is still making music. Take care.

Marvin

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I still listen to the IWBTLY CD because it contains "grown-up" romantic songs that I connect with. I've been married to the same sexy guy for 25 yrs and the songs convey the exact feelings that we both have for each other. It's a mature romantic love. I appreciate this type of music because it is rare to hear anyone do it like Eric. He says what I'm feeling about my guy, and how he feels about me.

THANKS!

Robin M

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Bernie...you are the man for handling all the info you have and can in such a great way for all of us Eric fans. I'm sure if Eric pulls out, it will be due to the lack of quality overall in the sound, performance and total presentation of each show that are beyond his rather high standards he has always set for himself. If any good comes from this, it will be that Eric now totally realizes that the only way to satisfy himself and his fans all around the world is to do his own tour, on his own terms with total control. As much I I have missed his not touring and not putting out more material over the years, I can live with the fact that he wants it done right or not at all.

Dean Tyler

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Re: the Geffen album -- I love it! Oh, and Bernie -- you forgot to mention "Living Without Your Love", one of my favorites from that album (but rarely mentioned by most).

Re: the current Abbey Road situation -- anyone heard anything about the show at the Melody Tent in Hyannis, MA?

P.S. I'd much rather Eric do what he feels is right rather than 'stick it out' if he doesn't have his heart in it.

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P.S. I'd much rather Eric do what he feels is right rather than 'stick it out' if he doesn't have his heart in it.

You're lying man, and you know it! Just like everyone else on this board, I'd take front row tickets to a show with the world's crappiest acoustics and all the band members drunk out of their minds if it meant seeing EC up close and personal. I'd question his taste, but I certainly wouldn't be disappointed that I had seen him. (one disclaimer - it would depend on how much I'd paid. For anything over $50, I'd actually like to be able to hear a few of the songs).

Michelle

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For those who haven't caught on yet, the problem has nothing to do with quality control. Go back and read Bernie's post about candy. He made it crystal clear where the problem lies. Regarding the quality of Eric's solo career, I agree with a recent poster that said it is completely subjective.

I bought "Winter Dreams" when it was first released in Japan and played it about a dozen times. I honestly can't remember a single tune on it. It made little impact on me. From reading posts in the forum, it is obvious that a lot of fans also like Barry Manilow and comparable artists. Although I am certainly guilty of making degrading remarks regarding Manilow and his ilk, I also realize it's a matter of preferences.

I prefer the Raspberry Eric. He still did the romantic ballads but he also rocked very convincingly, something he hasn't done since "Tonight You're Mine" (Although "Make Me Lose Control" would have been an excellent Raspberries record. Where are the jangly guitars???)

Based on recent interviews I've read with Eric, he seems to think the syrupy ballads is all his fans want. Although that may be true among some fans, I still hold out for more tunes like "Tonight," "Go All The Way" or "It Hurts Too Much."

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Maybe it's just me, but I thought Winter Dreams had a nice mix. I thought "I Could Really Love You," and "Walk Away Renee" rocked. My ear said that Top Down Summer was the single that if released would have caught fire.

If anything, I thought the uptempo songs would have benefited from a guest appearance by Jim Bonfanti.

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