Bob Allen Posted November 2, 2006 Share Posted November 2, 2006 Who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ira Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Terry Sylvester was a second generation Hollie.How did he earn a place?-Ira. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Just a joke Ira.Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Susan believe me, there are many avid fans of the Hollies on this board. Though the 1970's incarnation with Terry Sylvester gets slighted in comparison to the original lineup, personally I loved the 1970's albums "Another Night", "Russian Roulette" and "A Crazy Steal."Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnO Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Not that he deserves to be in the HoF over many, many others, but Percy Sledge had four Top 20 singles, not one! "Take Time To Know Her" hit #11, "Warm & Tender Love" was #17, and "It Tears Me Up" was #20. (The latter 2 songs were written by the great Dan Penn, who, IMO, belongs in the R&R HoF as a songwriter/producer). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 John O I'm glad that you brought up Dan Penn. I've never understood how his incredible contributions to popular music have gone overlooked. Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raspberrywine Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 If Terry Silvester is elected to the RRHOF then the apocalypse must soon be near. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Early Wynn Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 The Hall lost all credibility for me when the Mamas and the Papas got in. And the Lovin' Spoonful??? Come on, they had a few nice songs, but.... No Alice Cooper, no Kiss, but Blondie's in there??? Again, a joke. If they want bands that were influential, then the Raspberries and Badfinger should be there. If they want bands that just had hits, then where are the Grass Roots, the DC5, Hermans Hermits, Paul Revere and the Raiders? What the hell is the criteria for getting in??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I used to think the criteria was artistic merit and influence, regardless of hits. That would explain many of the pre-"rock era" inductees as well as the many R&B and Jazz inductees, but that theory got thrown out the window.Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raspberrywine Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 The criteria apparently is that they take alot of names and put it in a hat and draw a few out each year. To get put in the hat you need to fulfill some jerk's definition of "hipness." Ofcourse, just like voting machines etc., there's always malfunctions and complete breakdowns in the process. Thats how Percy Sledge and got in. When they drew the name out of the hat it said "Sister Sledge" on it and even Terry Sylvester said we cant put Sister Sledge in the RRHOF. So they changed it to Percy with a magic marker and White Out and no one was the wiser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbB Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 A news program I saw yesterday indicated a panel of "500 musical experts" makes the choices. Wonder what constitutes a "musical expert"? I'll bet we have more of those on this site than they do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 This is from the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame website:Leaders in the music industry joined together in 1983 to establish the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Foundation. One of the Foundation’s many functions is to recognize the contributions of those who have had a significant impact on the evolution, development and perpetuation of rock and roll by inducting them into the Hall of Fame. Performers Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist’s contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll. The Foundation’s nominating committee, composed of rock and roll historians, selects nominees each year in the Performer category. Ballots are then sent to an international voting body of about 1,000 rock experts. Those performers who receive the highest number of votes, and more than 50 percent of the vote, are inducted. The Foundation generally inducts five to seven performers each year. Non-Performers Songwriters, producers, disc jockeys, record executives, journalists and other industry professionals who have had a major influence on the development of rock and roll. Early Influences Artists whose music predated rock and roll but had an impact on the evolution of rock and roll and inspired rock’s leading artists. The special selection committee elects the inductees in the Non-performer and Early Influences categories. Side Men This category was introduced in 2000. It honors those musicians who have spent their career out of the spotlight, performing as backup musicians for major artists on recording sessions and in concert. Though they often play a key role in the creation of memorable music, the public rarely knows them by name. A separate committee, composed primarily of producers, selects the inductees in this category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ira Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 I'm really usually in sync with most of the regulars on this web-BUT-I think that for a few years John Sebastian and The Lovin' Spoonful did some really innovative stuff which represented a real love for "Rock N' Roll".-Ira. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbB Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Ira, I, too, was a Lovin' Spoonful fan in high school. Their music was "happy" and made it hard for me not to smile when I heard it. I don't know if they would be considered rock and roll or not, but considering some of the others who have been placed in that category, why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Hey Barb, is John Denver in the RHoF?!Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 The Lovin' Spoonfull and the Mamas & the Papas go hand in hand, as far as I'm concerned. If you've got one inducted, the other should be as well. Not to mention the fact that John Sebastian has written some of the most enduring songs in pop music.Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbB Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Marv, funny you asked about JD. I was just thinking about how I used to really love to watch John Sebastian perform and how much he reminded me of JD. I think both were more folksy than anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 It must be the glasses. Another good reason for me to keep mine!Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarbB Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Must be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnO Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Lest people continue to bash the likes of Poor Percy Sledge.....has anybody really taken a look at most years' classes of inductees, and concluded (as I have) that perhaps the votes are stacked to allow for, shall we say, a diversity of acts?....there appear to be at least 1-2 R&B acts inducted every year, regardless of the composition of the nominated class. This leads me to suspect that maybe, just maybe, someone wants to make sure that a cross-section of American music is represented each election. Just a theory......and it would explain the likes of Percy S., if he were the best of a bad crop of R&B/soul acts becoming eligible that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ira Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 No sarcasm intended-Just a queston.Does anyone know if Percy Sledge wrote any of his material?-Ira. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Carmen Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 With all due respect, this isn't about Percy Sledge. It's about what rock 'n roll is, and isn't. ec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 What is Rock and Roll? I don’t think that question can be easily answered and separated by specific artists. Is Percy Sledge any less rock and roll than Chuck Berry? One of my university courses was the “Evolution of Popular Music.†The professor made the claim that Rock's origins can’t be simply attributed to what we’ve assumed, i.e. 1950’s artists such as Fats Domino, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, and Elvis. He said that you’ve got to start at least a decade earlier, and he pointed to Hank Williams and songs like “Hey Good Lookin’†and “Jambalaya.†Rock and roll is not an easy basket to fill and I think we’ve got to accept the fact that it includes many different styles and tastes.Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trindy Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Really, people, is anyone surprised at this? Another year, another 'Berries snub. It's never happening, folks--let's face it sooner rather than later.As for the nominees this year, what can I say but that the most obvious choice is the late great Joe Tex. How could we not induct the man who gave us that immortal song "Ain't Gonna Bump No More (With No Big Fat Woman)"? Just thinking of the lyrics brings a glow to my soul:I wanted to bump, I was rarin' to goAnd this big fat woman, bumped me on the floorShe was rarin' to go, that chick was rarin' to goMan she did a dip, almost broke my hipShe was gettin' down, that chick was gettin' downShe wanted to bump some more, but I told her, noYou done knocked me down onceYou done knocked me down onceSaid, if you want to danceFind you a big fat manYa'll both can get on downYa'll both can get on down, huhI ain't gonna bump no more with no big fat womanI ain't gonna bump no more with no big fat womanI ain't gonna bump no more with no big fat womanI ain't gonna bump no more with no big fat womanSomebody take herShe's too big for meShe'll knock me downShe came over to me, snatched me out of my seatShe wanted to get on down, still wanted to get on downI told her to go on and leave me aloneI ain't gettin' downYou done hurt my hip onceI ain't gonna bump no more with no big fat womanI ain't gonna bump no more with no big fat womanI ain't gonna bump no more with no big fat womanI ain't gonna bump no more with no big fat womanSomebody take her, I don't want herShe done hurt my hip, she done knocked me downDone hurt my hip, she done knocked me downSomebody take her, I don't want herSay, Leroy, you can have this one, dudeThis big fat woman, dudeI don't want herIt's sheer poetry, people--I tell you!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Joe actually had a number of hits in the 1960's before that forgettable song in 1980.Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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