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EdisonLite
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Posted: 20 February 2006 at 11:01am | IP Logged

Can anyone explain the difference between the 5:24 single version and the 5:34 album version? Where is the 10 seconds that is edited out of the LP version?

 

 

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Posted: 21 June 2006 at 4:25pm | IP Logged

I can now answer my own question in case anyone is wondering this. 

Both versions are identical up until the 5:24 point where the song fades out to zero. After that, on the album version, you hear about 10 seconds of "Go All the Way" at an extremely low volume. 

Pat, you might want to mention this detail in the database (if it's not already indicated.) I bought the "Greatest" CD just to get this longer version, thinking it was a different mix or an edit or a longer fade, only to find out I already had the full-length song in tact but not the "Go All the Way" coda (which I didn't need.) 

IMO, these two versions could also be differentiated by labeling one "album length" and one "single length" -- since you can fade the album really really quickly at 5:24 and get the single. 

Edited by EdisonLite on 21 June 2006 at 4:27pm 

 

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Posted: 26 December 2007 at 1:11am | IP Logged

Revisiting an old topic if you don't mind... 

A seller has a 5:24/3:46 promo for sale. Before I'd sink $15.60 into this (yes, expensive), does anyone know how to edit the 45 version down to 3:46? 

 

 

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Posted: 26 December 2007 at 8:24am | IP Logged

For "eriejwg": 

Going by memory only, the 3:46 promo is just an early fade of the 5:24. 

For "EdisonLite": Don't forget that the album version is a slightly different mix than the single (single mix is narrower stereo and a little more midrangey and a little less dynamic than the album version). 

Andy

 

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Posted: 26 December 2007 at 11:14am | IP Logged

Andy, there's an edit involved along with the early fade. With my DJ 45 serving as the template, here's how I replicated the short version: 

Using the 45 mix from the Capitol Collectors Series CD, the edit point comes at the 3:17 mark, just before the word "hit" of the first complete "want a hit record, yeah" line after the drums come in. 

The segment between 3:17 and just before the word "hit" at the 4:22 mark is simply edited out. 

After making the edit, fade beginning at 3:35. The last full word heard before the end of the fade is "record" at the 3:46 mark. 



Edited by Yah Shure on 26 December 2007 at 11:18am

 

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Posted: 26 December 2007 at 11:20am | IP Logged

To Andy and Yah Sure...many thanks! And, my wallet thanks you too!

 

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Posted: 26 December 2007 at 12:13pm | IP Logged

Thanks "Yah Shure" 

Memories are a foggy thing... 

Maybe the radio station that played it in my area simply faded the long version out before the solo piano part & wasn't the TRUE promo edit... 

Andy

 

 

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Posted: 26 December 2007 at 12:52pm | IP Logged

Eriejwg, you and your wallet are most welcome! 

Andy, you're spot-on regarding foggy memories. I dug out all of my Raspberries 45s a month ago when they came up for discussion during the 2007 IT thread on xmfan.com's decades discussion. In scanning all of the labels for a future post, I realized that I hadn't played the short "Overnight Sensation" 45 in many years, and that's what sparked the replication effort. 

And just has you had thought, I went in with the assumption that there was just an early fade. It was the differences in the drumming that made the edit apparent. Most casual listeners would never have noticed the difference between the actual DJ 45 edit and a simple early fade. 

I wouldn't rule out the possibility that your local station did their own early fade. If they wore out their initial promo 45, all they would have had left were either the long promo side or reserviced stock copies. The single preceded the release of the Starting Over album.

 

 

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Posted: 27 December 2007 at 1:41am | IP Logged

Andrew C writes: 

<For "EdisonLite": Don't forget that the album version is a slightly different mix than the single (single mix is narrower stereo and a little more midrangey and a little less dynamic than the album version). > 

When the piano solo fades (prior to the big drums crash that comes back in), does it get quieter on one version while staying somewhat louder on the other version? (I thought I recall a difference being that one faded closer to "zero" than the other did.)

 

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Posted: 27 December 2007 at 8:39pm | IP Logged

Both single & album mixes have the piano solo quite quietly mixed; I believe the single mix piano sounds a tad louder, but probably that's due to the overall more midrangey sound of the single mix. 

Andy

 

 

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Posted: 01 April 2012 at 4:13am | IP Logged

my 45 states the run time on the label as 5:34 but only 
runs 5:21 and is identical to the version from the below 
cd..... 

(S)     (5:20)   &nb sp; Arista 18963 Eric Carmen -- The Definitive 
Collection (45 version) 



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