James Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 I try to do what is right in my life, including not stealing music that I haven´t paid for. But with the music world we now live in things are a bit hazy sometimes with respect to what is right and what is wrong. I know artists are fighting to protect their royalties, to not allow new listening venues to wrongly dilute artists´ earnings, etc.. I know when I feel like hearing a song I can go to YouTube and listen for free. I know this can be wrong as when I choose to go to YouTube instead of purchasing the music, the artist loses, unfairly. My sense of guilt forces me, when I am going to YouTube to listen to an artist´s music frequently, to go ahead and purchase that artist´s music. But I likely in the end am listening to music, at least to a degree, that I should be paying for. And I reckon this applies to most people. And thus I reckon artists are losing out big time. And I further reckon this could hurt the production of good music long-term. I´m not sure how I should comport myself exactly on this front. My question is this: 1. what do reasonable artists want to happen to make things right for artists?.....what changes need to be made, legally etc.? 2. What would artists ask us (fans, customers) to do so as to act with integrity in not taking for free what (music) is not ours´s to take for free?....should we quit YouTube?....should we quit Pandora? etc. etc. etc....in other words what should we do if we want to do the right thing by artists? I know Eric doesn´t post here anymore, but we have a lot of music people as members - people in the industry or members who have thought through this stuff and thus have a better handle on it than I do. I´d love to hear what you guys have to say here. Signed, Loco :-) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susie b Posted January 1, 2016 Share Posted January 1, 2016 James... You are a good Catholic boy, and the world needs more people with your standard of ethics. Assuage your guilt. First, by questioning your actions, you have taken the first step into this murky pond. Second, you are bringing it to the attention of other users. Three, you have reached out to the artists in question and asked for proper instruction. Finally, when you like an artist, you do support them with your hard earned dollars or Balboas. You are one of the few not deliberately trying to cheat artists of their royalties. Bless you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 2, 2016 Author Share Posted January 2, 2016 Yes, it´s true, I AM pretty great. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnneNR Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Personally, I like what Amazon has done. They offer maybe 20 seconds or so of all songs on an album you search for on Amazon.com. For me, this is just a taste of what I can expect, and helps me decide if I want to buy the album---but I can't download the entire song from the tidbit they permit me to hear. And since I refuse to download ANY music, preferring a physical CD, the MP3 section I have no use for. But the brief listen to the songs, I find that very helpful. A very long time ago, music stores had booths where sample 45s could be heard so the customer could decide if they wanted to make a purchase. Of course now that there are soooo many ways for any one person to copy something with the current technology, I don't know if going back to something like that would do any good. Part of the problem is people let "convenience" out-weigh their integrity. Not everything in this world should be made to be "convenient", that makes us fat, lazy, mindless leeches always "plugged" in and tuned out of life. There has to be a better solution, but I don't know enough about the music business to be able to suggest functionally viable procedures without the insights from someone whose actually been in the business with experience to draw from. AnneNR 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Excellente, James! What an observation Susie B. about James. I also enjoy Youtube. I do like what one teacher did. He realized that all people can't afford an education. So, he and others put all schooll studies on YouTube. Math, Science, Algebra and. Calculus Math, I'm gussing. Anyone can become educated through a learning series of online classes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 Now, to the particular choices we all make, and what can we do for any change with online music. Well, the Beatles, on Christmas Eve,(Happy Crimble was the greeting) have ageed with Universal Music to now do. prepaid music on about nine streeming sites. So artists can change to doing this way, also. I always thought it was wise to perform songs or play a concert. Getting a higher dollar play, in doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 I would do the same thing, too. All of us can go to other streeming sites to pay , now. You notice though, that music radio has been far ahead of internet music streeming. You freely hear music, all the time. I don't feel bad, since artists get a share from radio play, albeit maybe a small amount. So, enter now to a new steeming situation to more possible profits. It is very wise to put music on several steeming sites, and gaining your residual dues from them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC Posted January 3, 2016 Share Posted January 3, 2016 And, on your facebook page, you can tell everyone artists you like, and what type of song it is. Is it. an easy listening song that you suggest to others, because of how the mood and lyrical good sence it makes you feel, etc. Rock, Country Music and on it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Misspelled 'streaming'. I haven't read all the posts, being in a rush this morning. So, you can use facebook or other sites to redirect people, and tell other artists to get onto more streaming sites. But, I. think that it is great for any new or an established artist to put short versions of their songs on Youtube. This way, people will want more of the entire song. [ Why don't more artists do this?-] I did some of the sound for some new group. More coming up. They are good. But, I will see what I think of their next recording to tell who they are. One of the artists has a screen actors guild card. He called me up last week, to record in a few weeks. We recorded live video in a large white screen back screen, as they sang over their own pre-recorded vocals. We spent three late hours on a four to five minute+ song. I told them on each acting/ talking take whether it was a good or bad take. Sometimes, the singing was behind the original soudtrack, an obvious visual mistake. (Words heard when the person wasn't singing). Using Bluetooth from the pre-recorded vocal, the singing played through the studio speakers through a phone. And also the studio video/vocal recorder at the same tine, singing over the original vocal, and live to video. The last song had a heavy message, about living the right way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted January 4, 2016 Share Posted January 4, 2016 Just off the top of my head, how different is listening to music on youtube any different from listening to music on the radio??? I am saying this from a position of ignorance, not sarcasm. I do not own any portable digital devices ( by choice ) and only listen to music on the Batmobile radio ( Sirius ) or at Wayne Manor on the CD player. This whole streaming thing is something I never got interested in. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Ellen Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Likewise for me, Batman. I only purchase CDs and listen to the radio or pay to see live music. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 Batman, I think radio stations must pay royalties each time they play a song. I know a station I was listening to up till last week had to shut down because it said the industry raised the royalty rate and thus the station could no longer make ends meet. I don´t know that the YouTube poster of a song/video, or the company who owns YouTube has to pay royalties, or pays enough to satisfy the artists/industry. But truth is I´m not sure either, thus this thread. James 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary Ellen Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 A bit of information re YouTube payouts to artists: 2/5/14, ROLLING STONE YouTube's Billion-Dollar Payout Provides New Revenue for Musicians "...A YouTube executive's recent revelation that the company has paid more than $1 billion to the music business over the last few years was no surprise to artists who’ve noticed an increase in online-video money on their royalty statements. "YouTube income keeps going up. It has gone up every single accounting period," says Josh Grier, an attorney who represents Wilco, Bob Mould, Ryan Adams and others. "Those who I made deals for a few years ago, and [who] bought into the game, are getting money." The article goes on to indicate tracking covers is a bit trickier. Artists must review the numbers themselves and submit a claim. M.E. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Interesting stuff Mary Ellen. So there is some remuneration to artists. Listen without guilt, James!! LOL! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeC Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Youtube has a conbo package for songs and streaming videos.$ 9.99 per month. Garth Broks sat down to talk to one sie. Not sure it was YouTube, but I think it was a very popular site. He was one of the last to have his songs streamed, for lack of pay for his work. Even T.V. shows are streaming on the internet. Far more watch on the internet, it is said now. Artists like Taylor Swift changed from being paid pennies on one site. And singer Adele broke some new album release record. A new online world record. Nothing from her in years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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