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James, I love "Inside Story", also!  I'm guessing you picked up on the double entendre of the lyrics in that song...and LOVE it!

"ATTN" music and arrangement rise above the lyrics- if I must- I'll call it a "guilty pleasure", but it's just a fun, rockin' 70's anthem to, um, love :D

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We discuss music here.  We have opinions.  We like stuff, we don't like stuff.  Stating we don't like a lyric is certainly not getting our "panties in a ball".

Disclaimer:  This is just MHO....I don't know everything (just most things)....I have no experience with the stuff that ATTN talks about (I'm lying)........and "Ecstacy" is better than "Tonight".

Thank you.

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On 3/15/2014 at 10:32 PM, James said:

We discuss music here.  We have opinions.  We like stuff, we don't like stuff.  Stating we don't like a lyric is certainly not getting our "panties in a ball".

P.S.  This is just MHO....I don´t know everything (just most things)....I have no experience with the stuff that ATTN talks about (I'm lying)........and "Ecstacy" is better than "Tonight".

TONIGHT damn it!!!

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Funny that I saw the "Inside Story" talk today. Just yesterday, I was at the gym and listening to that song on my headphones and I could see the guy next to me keep looking at my Iphone with the cover of "Tonight You're Mine" showing on the display. Where I go is a predominantly Spanish speaking gym, but after about ten minutes of staring, the guy tapped me on the shoulder and said in broken English, "what's this all about?" with a big smile on his face! lol

 

Ohhhh, that cover!

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On 3/15/2014 at 5:13 AM, Eric Carmen said:

That song was sheer torture to write., but I listened to it a few nights ago, and thought " Hey, That wasn't too bad...considering the circumstances! Pretty good "middle eight" as always, made it palatable .

Not my crowning achievement as a songwriter, but not bad, considering what it was.                                                                

Eric, call me crazy, but, is there any such thing as a "middle nine"?  I keep getting an extra measure when I listen to this!

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On 3/15/2014 at 10:18 PM, marvin said:

I don't like the lyrics of "ATtN" either, but love the tune and arrangement. In any case, Raspberries catalogue is filled with songs that could be considered risque.

I don't hate the song, just reminds me of some people I would rather not remember. Let's just say it is my least favorite song that happens to be on my favorite album. Risque? Isn't that why we like them? ooo baby ooo baby.

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Adelia, I'm sorry for what you went through back then, and I think Catnip is right...these women were not very nice, OR very smart! I guess for them, trying to gain a little attention from your husband was worth making a complete fool of themselves. Thank goodness you were able to realize that any supposed "relationship" they had with him was only in their own minds !! 

On a personal note...I don't hate ATtN...it's never been one of my most favorite Raspberries tunes, but it IS fun to dance to !! 

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I hesitate to write this, though I shouldn't. This is an issue for a different topic. But it got started here, so here it is. This is a response to the others who so easily objectified a certain "type" of young women. I feel very strongly about this, and it is obvious to me that there are others here that do as well.

Yes, there are plenty of songs from succeeding generations that have despicably graphic lyrics (not simply risque), that are far worse. I don't like those at either. I have to admit, I never heard this song before YouTube. I'm not saying the words are TERRIBLE. I do not think they are pretty or inviting.

True . . . if you do not listen to the words from ATTN the music is jumping and would be great to dance to. But, I do try to listen to the lyrics. So do others.

Whose fault is it if the groupie girls go up for a quickie with someone from the band? Actually it is NOT a cut and dried question.

I've said in my profile bio that I was a mental health counselor. I once worked with a young woman who had been one of those girls. I won't name the band, though I have never forgotten. It was the late '70s. The band was huge. She was very pretty and was taken in to their party by one of the roadies after the concert. The band members were there too. She "made it" in the bathroom with the guy who brought her there. After that, another guy came in, figured it was fine because she was just some slut groupie, right?? She MUST have known, right?? She must have asked for it, because she was THERE. But she did NOT want the next guy. He took her anyway. She was essentially, serially, gang raped after that. Some were IN the band. She was in the hotel suite's bathroom and couldn't get out.

So, WAS that her fault?? She was 17. She was treated the way those men WANTED to treat her because she was there. They thought it was allowed. I doubt anyone even noticed how she "acted". She probably acted scared and hurt since she was crying.   Did not ANY of those guys have a choice in their OWN bad behavior?!?

She never valued herself again after that night. Of course she did not report it, because who would have called it rape back then? By the time I knew her, she was the loveliest, sweetest, saddest, most lost person in the world. She overdosed 6 mos after I met her. She had wanted to 12 yrs before. Did she have other problems? Most certainly, but who doesn't? Had she deserved what happened to her? Not in my book. Do songs glorifying wild party sex even matter, or leave an impression, or encourage reckless harmful behavior? Maybe not. But what if they do?

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p.s. If Eric or Bernie consider this post inappropriate, they will remove it.

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I will be more than willing to go back to the original HOT TUNA issue here if anyone else is willing!!

Seriously Kathy, you are correct on some issues within your post.  Maybe your post should be taken to the "Cartoon World" section which I'm sure we would all agree isn't for everyone...

The club "genre" is wide open and perhaps difficult to navigate what happens for many people. 

I was never a "groupie" though I had contact with someone in a band once and it was a great experience. 

I do feel so much empathy for the young woman you mention. 

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I am actually less concerned about the particular song "All Through The Night", than I am about the direction that this thread took. The posts that seemed to show little to no concern from so many people, about putting young women into a category they casually called "tramps" and other such names. I very much appreciate you M.E., James, Eric, himself, and all those that seemed to see such a strange course the thread was taking. That is why I thought I should not respond, because I take this attitude very seriously. And really, my decision to post was NOT much about this song itself! I was really responding to the attitude. And I don't need discuss it anymore, unless someone else does post in another forum. The first pages of this topic were great!!

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You know, most of the multitude of "bad" names are ascribed to women (historically). The names for men usually imply that their mother, another woman, was in some way responsible for their bad behavior (S.O.B., bastard, etc.)!! I know everyone, including me, jokes about being "politically correct". But it will have it's place in history, I hope. Maybe in 30 years (or a hundred), all negative names will truly be unisex (and all other types of equality applied as well)  !

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