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For today's class, I give you a drummer who in my opinion was not only one of the finest drummers to come out of the 1960's, but also truly a style innovator. Nobody could twirl the sticks like this guy. His years with the Rascals supplied us with some incredible records and live peformances. He also went on to be part of Fotomaker with fellow Rascals member Gene Cornish, and of course, Wally. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, I give you the one and the only, the phenomenal, Dino Danelli.

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Oh Yeaah! Now that's a drummer! Dino Danelli was born and raised in Jersey City, N.J....that's about 3 miles from where I live. Dino was a phenomenal drummer and every other adjective that describes great.I have every Rascals single and they were one of my favorite bands of all time. Dino, long may you rock!!! He always hung out at Transfer Station which became the title of Fotomaker's 3rd and final album. I believe Wally had left by then.

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Check YouTube for a great series of interviews between Liberty deVitto (Billy Joel's ex drummer) and Dino. Dino expands on everything from his influences to his style, etc. Fantastic information whether you're a drummer or not - and he sure holds his Jersey / NY roots proudly.

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and no bass player to boot!!!!!....guitar, drums, percussion, and hammond organ...holy energy batman...and dino just SMOKES on the kit....he has total control!!! great clip marv!

bahoo

The Rascals never had a bassist. Cavaliere played everything on the keys. Makes you wonder whether the Doors picked up on this format.

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Marv...regarding "Hold On". It is on the The Rascals album "SEE" which was released in Dec. of 1969. I have the album but it is soo worn out. I am going to go on Amazon and see if they have it!

Thanks Giro. I will look there for the song. In the YouTube interview, Dino compared it to what Steve Gadd did on "50 Ways to Leave Your Lover."

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This is a great clip. Somewhere there is another clip of The (Young) Rascals where the camera is behind and off to one side of Felix Cavaliere as he plays the intro to “Lonely Too Long†and you can see Dino in the background with the his drumsticks twirling before launching into the song. These guys were an incredible band. They also make me feel anecdotal …

One Saturday, when we were in high school, Eric (who would read magazines and articles for new bands so that we could play material in Sounds of Silence that was ahead of emerging popularity curves) called me and said, “I’ve got to find this new album coming out. There’s a song on it called ‘I Ain’t Gonna Eat Out My Heart Anymore’ that’s supposed to be really good.†So we set out on a hunt that ended at Severance Mall (one of the original shopping malls in the country and built on what was previously the Severance estate) and find this album by a new group called The Young Rascals.

We learned two (2) songs off the album. “Ain’t Gonna Eat Out My Heart†and “Good Lovinâ€. I don’t recall ever hearing “Ain’t Gonna Eat Our My Heart†on the radio (if I did it was … barely) but “Good Lovinâ€â€¦ what can I say. Two (2) other songs off the album we talked about doing were “Mustang Sally’ and “Midnight Hour†but decided they were too close to being ‘greaser’ songs (we leaned towards British pop and this was in the age of ‘greasers’, ‘collegiates’, and a growing number of ‘mods’ … and never the twain should meet).

Some irony in not doing “Mustang Sally†was that the band had been playing 2 nights a week in a bar called The Cask that consisted of adjoining Quonset huts where Mayfield Rd hit Euclid Ave (we were all under age but this was how Sounds of Silence came to be the house band for Fraternity Row at Case Western Reserve … I can also remember at least one of the gigs being cancelled because of race riots … but I digress …). Whenever the band would break, there were only two songs that were ever played on the jukebox … “Mustang Sally†(Wilson Pickett version) and “Baby Let Me Bang Your Box†(my apology but I kid you not).

Later, when I first sat in at Cyrus Erie rehearsals and heard/saw Michael McBride play drums, I realized that Michael was not only the first drummer that I ever heard/saw that played naturally with the same upright posture akin to Dino Danelli (my drummer idol) but that he was really good while doing it. Pretty much everyone else I’d heard/seen either hunched over their drums or, if upright, had trouble keeping a consistent beat. I started envisioning twirling sticks (which Michael demonstrated that he could actually do but chose not to).

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Martin's story is certainly facininating from a musical history perpective. Love the fact that Eric was consuming everything that was coming off the airwaves, trying to stay on top of the music that was making a mark.

Dino's upright stance is one of the first things I've always noticed about him - and the way that left hand moves and twirls, is a sight to behold.

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Returning to the original topic ... one of my favorite Dino Danelli moves was when they'ld do a stop time ... as they got to the stop time, Dino would be standing up and, on the stop beat, would hit a cymbal then immediately grab it. Despite the cymbal crash, there would be total silence on the break.

As an aside, my all time favorite Rascals song is "Mickey's Monkey/Lovelights" from their second album. Even now, the song just cooks and I can listen to it all day long.

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My idea for starting this thread was to bring attention to musicians who I believe many have forgotten about or possibly don't know about. These are musicians whose work has stood the test of time. No doubt that Dino's style was influenced by Rich and Krupka - two amazing drummers who might not be as well-known today as they were a few years ago. Hopefully from seeing these videos and hearing Dino's work, people will appreciate what he did for popular music.

Anyone want to step up and take the lead on our next 'forgotten' musician?

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Great idea for a thread. I’ve given this some thought and have confined candidates to individuals who are not front men (ie: Billy Preston is ineligible). Dino Danelli is tough to compete with but I considered several people such as John Deacon from Queen and Sugar from the Ohio Players. My current candidate (and I could well think of someone else by tomorrow morning) is:

Johnny Colla from Huey Lewis and the News. He makes the whole setup work … he sings on every song, plays solid rhythm guitar, and plays great sax.

On You Tube check the LIVE 1987 video clips

For guitar – Boys are Back in Town

For sax -- Back in Time

For guitar & sax – Power of Love

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Great idea for a thread. My current candidate (and I could well think of someone else by tomorrow morning) is:

Johnny Colla from Huey Lewis and the News. He makes the whole setup work … he sings on every song, plays solid rhythm guitar, and plays great sax.

Oh Johnny Colla is extremely underrated, and I imagine an unknown to many people. I love "Power Of Love" and "Do You Believe In Love", both featuring Johnny's sax. Here is an old Doo Wop fave that Huey and Johnny re-did admirably:

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Interesting topic. Thanks, Marvin. Also, thanks to Marty, for the memories about Eric on this thread. And to Bernie for the Marathon Man book. (Although it was posted in the past, I must have had a memory block, cos it just clicked for me that he is THAT "marty" who was Eric's best friend and bandmember from Sounds of Silence.)

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Hmm ... looks like Marvin's intent has been co-opted by the Rascals but there could be worse topics (I may try to look up how to imbed You Tube videos, later, and try to insert the Johnny Colla clips).

Brian may be right in our playing "Come On Up". It's from the 2nd Rascals album and, actually, the guitar solo is not dissimilar to the solo on "Ain't Gonna Eat Out my Heart" (changing notes on the 'B' string with an open 'E' on top). The open 'E' was used quite a lot during that musical period. I remember watching Wally's hands, while he was still in the Choir, and realizing that it was the "trick" to the opening of "Substitute". That led to the realization that Townsend used it quite often (solo to "Can't Explain" and the riff in "I Can See For Miles"). If we did play it, it would have been in the couple of months after the notorious 1st gig on New Year's Eve when we were all grabbing songs played in prior bands in order to fill out sets. By the time Wally joined the band (I think late-March or early-April) we had already started dropping songs and replacing them with more current material (notably, quite a few (recently available in America) Small Faces songs).

The above clip of Mickey's Monkey/Lovelights is great and adds to the demonstration of how good the Rascals were live. The album cut I referred to earlier is about a 1:30 longer, Felix starts on the right bar (thus Eddie sings the backup lines in the right place -- the above clip says something about the lack of on-stage monitors during this period), the organ solo's are more dominent (and hot), and there is a bass (its interesting how much the dynamic punch of Dino Danelli's bass drum fills the void of not having a bass guitar live -- I'm also still trying to figure out if Felix had bass pedals on his Hammond).

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OK ... Johnny Colla from Huey Lewis and the News (please note that I made an error earlier ... the clip for both guitar & sax should read "Hip to be Square"). Johnny Colla is in a grey suit. Also, as a bit of trivia, the full horn section is Tower of Power ... both groups were Bay Area bands.

For guitar – Boys are Back in Town

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