marvin Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 James, I apologize if my post sounded like whining. I can only speak about what I felt – and that was a loss of interest in the site once music seemed to take a back seat. I don’t question people for wanting to wade into other topics, but the few times I would wander bravely into Cartoon World, I found that the opinions expressed there were so far to the right of my beliefs, that I couldn't relate. Maybe it’s my tolerance level that needs an adjustment. In any case, I don’t go to those areas of the site anymore and as narrow-minded as it may seem to be, on this site, I really am only interested in the music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Mississippi Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Since Eric has partricipated in discussions in Cartoon World, I gotta think that sort of gives it his "nod of approval"... and if EC didn't approve of certain aspects of this site, I have to think they would be pruned from the tree that is EC.COM... Although I'm sure he and the others who performed and created the tunes we discuss are happy to relive them; they are memories... distant memories for the most part... Having the chance to share more current events with people who love and were somewhat shaped by what came from those few years of all of our lives... We can relate to other things perhaps... and do. There are subsets and subgroups; probably 95% of the posters here love EC and/or Raspberries music... of that 95%, there are a handful who love jokes... hence the comedians and jokes section... a few of us enjoy sports... hence the baseball and other sports threads... sometimes the same folks overlap, sometimes not... The music might not be all that matters... but "music will keep us together..." (Yeah, I know it's not "our guys" song that I "borrowed"... but it makes the point so well... ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberrybelle Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 marvinI am very opinionated on the subject of politics as well as other subjects and often express those opinions; however I hope that anything that I have said in the past in the heat of the moment would not discourage you from expressing your opinion on any subject or sharing your feelings on music.Please continue to post because you and your contributions would be missed.Belle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted November 9, 2011 Author Share Posted November 9, 2011 marvinI am very opinionated on the subject of politics as well as other subjects and often express those opinions; however I hope that anything that I have said in the past in the heat of the moment would not discourage you from expressing your opinion on any subject or sharing your feelings on music.Please continue to post because you and your contributions would be missed.Belle Thanks, Belle.My few experiences in Cartoon World, especially with politics, were not pleasant. I always felt that some people were being ambushed for their beliefs because they didn't toe the majority line. I'd rather get into music discussions where there seems to be a greater acceptance for a difference of opions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnO Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Marv - Eric's music is the single common denominator that we all share on this board. I seriously doubt that anyone ever joined ericcarmen.com primarily to express their political or religious views, or to live out whatever personal fantasies they wish to indulge in. It was always the music first here....the rest followed when the music by Eric, Raspberries, etc., dried up.I agree with your comment about this board seeming to be very right wing-oriented, due to Cartoon World posts. I say "seeming to be", because I know, through various PMs over the years with board members, that there are a lot more moderates and liberals on this board than it appears. (Mostly, we stay the Hell out of Cartoon World.) As you stated, many of us have trouble relating to CW posts - ain't our version of reality, and we're outnumbered anyway, so why bother? To me, life's too short to spend time trying to unsuccessfully change someone else's opinion....or trying to get validation from your friends, whom you already know agree with you. That said, I have no problem with this board being used for all sorts of topics. If I don't want to play in a particular sandbox, I'll stay out of that area.However.....While, as ststed above, Eric used to participate in various Cartoon World discussions, I suspect he would be appalled if he knew that fans of his music had been driven off this board due to the tone/attitude of some of the CW posters....and yes, it has happened. In addition, I personally know of several cases where old-timers on this board PM'd brand new members who had been subjected to CW attacks, asking them to stay, and telling them that most of the folks here are nice people. Personally, I think we need all of the EC fans we can get.Does anyone here think that Eric has such an overabundance of fans that it's okay to drive them away here? It's easy to sit back and say - well, they just have to develop a thicker skin. If my first post here had been in Cartoon World, and had been met with maybe a dozen responses, all telling me I'm wrong....and folks, political and religious beliefs are 100% subjective opinion, NOT facts!.....I would have flown the coop, and basically said "screw ec.com"....On that note, I'm off to NYC for Norton Records' 25th Anniversary Spectacular....4 nights of trashy music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelina Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Clearly the problem is that Eric's catalogue is just too darn short. Raspberries has merely four albums..and ec's solo work is just a tad longer. So in order for peace in the world...Eric MUST write/record more music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberrybelle Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 JohnOHope you have a great time!Belle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspberrybelle Posted November 9, 2011 Share Posted November 9, 2011 Clearly the problem is that Eric's catalogue is just too darn short. Raspberries has merely four albums..and ec's solo work is just a tad longer. So in order for peace in the world...Eric MUST write/record more music. Hear! Hear!Belle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Thanks Belle.And Marvin, great to see you posting again,James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy-Ann Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 *I found that the opinions expressed there were so far to the right of my beliefs, that I couldn't relate. Maybe it’s my tolerance level that needs an adjustment.*No one has to tolerate anything they don’t want, and even if you do, it doesn’t mean you’ll then agree. All one needs to do is realize that because we all have differences of opinions they might not gel together and that’s ok.*In any case, I don’t go to those areas of the site anymore and as narrow-minded as it may seem to be, on this site, I really am only interested in the music.*To me, it doesn’t mean one is closed minded or narrow minded because one doesn’t agree with another. It just means, we don’t agree. And if you’re only interested in the music topics, that isn’t closed minded, that’s just a fact...and up to you.We’re not all going to fit into this one nice little niche, and the world won’t end because of it. And that’s a good thing that we are all different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy-Ann Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 *To me, life's too short to spend time trying to unsuccessfully change someone else's opinion...*And that’s fine, you don’t have to, but it doesn’t mean that your opinion isn’t worth sharing. That’s how I see it. *However.....While, as stated above, Eric used to participate in various Cartoon World discussions, I suspect he would be appalled if he knew that fans of his music had been driven off this board due to the tone/attitude of some of the CW posters........... Personally, I think we need all of the EC fans we can get.*I personally don’t know what Eric Carmen would be “appalled byâ€, but I think that no one is driven off of anywhere unless they choose to freely leave. Everything in life is a choice unless you are enslaved.*Does anyone here think that Eric has such an overabundance of fans that it's okay to drive them away here? It's easy to sit back and say - well, they just have to develop a thicker skin.*I don’t think anyone ever has to develop a tough skin, or to conform to what others think or do. Again, you and you alone make a choice to leave. No one holds a gun to anyone’s head...it is a free choice to leave a section of the board or the whole board for whatever reasons you are choosing. And that’s ok. Having said that, I believe that if a fan likes an artist, I doubt anyone can make them stop liking an artist and their talent because of a community board.If Eric Carmen were booked to perform, most people who will attend most likely wouldn’t even know of this board and those who are or were on this board would mostly likely not give a damn who else is going, but would go see him because he is performing. And I bet ya all would have a fantastic time! *If my first post here had been in Cartoon World, and had been met with maybe a dozen responses, all telling me I'm wrong....and folks, political and religious beliefs are 100% subjective opinion, NOT facts!.....I would have flown the coop, and basically said "screw ec.com"....*And that's fine, but would you have said, “Screw Eric Carmen?†Wait...oops...let me rephrase that. Would you have said "screw ec.com" and I refuse to have anything to do with Eric Carmen and his music because of this board?Perhaps what is being done is putting too much impact on this board, when in the end, if it is the music that you are drawn to, then really nothing is stopping you from still enjoying the music. But I can see that it is a plus when you are able to be on some kind of friendly level with others who feel the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy-Ann Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I say if one wants to talk about music then do it. Sometimes you have to throw things out there for others to get interested in. And music talk on this board can be interesting. Give others the incentive to post and people will or won’t, but it doesn’t mean they are not reading the thread and taking it in.I can honestly say, there are just so many ways to tell the world that I love “Let’s Pretend.†I’m sure many, including myself have said, “Ok! We’ve got it Wendy---you LOVE Let’s Pretend.†I am not “worldly†when it comes to G minors and F sharps and falsettos, etc. But I do read when others have added their valuable input.When I sat with 4 other people in an Orange County law office and planned something called a Tea Party rally, I never knew that day what it would become. For my own reasons, I chose to step away from being a part of it after the rally, but I still follow what is going on with it. However, others have kept it going and it has grown to be a huge movement. But it has had to be kept alive. Ok, maybe this is an over the top example, (it is me after all) but I think if anyone wants to do something and one of those thing is to talk about the music of the ‘Berries and or Eric Carmen...one has to get it going and keep it alive for others to get excited about it and want to participate. It could take on a life of its own. You’ll never know what will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aventurine Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 For WendyLet's Pretend Midnight Special 1973 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendy-Ann Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Thanks so much! Did I happen to mention that I LOVE this song? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaspBen Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Gosh his voice is like butter! One of my favorites also Wendy. I could easily enjoy this site if all we heard was Eric's voice and the clips showing his performances solo or with the Rasperberries. I was brought up to never discuss money, politics or religion and if you did be prepared to get burned. I read the posts in CW but stay mum on the politics, though some of it is very interesting. I'm not that up to date on politics except for what i hear on the news so therefore I just listen and learn.Monica Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Monica, you hit in on the head--his voice is like butter. What a gorgeous vocal timbre he has--all the colors of the musical spectrum multiplied by an infinite variety of interpretive nuances. That's Eric. The voice I fell in love with at age 24, and still am.--D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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