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My thoughts on Michael Jackson...


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Julia..working and leaving an abusive husband go together. A large number of abused women do not have employement outside of the home, thus they and their children are in economic bondage. The start of breaking free for a lot of women is when they 1. go to a shelter (leave him) and 2. get their own income (the ability to stay away from him).

As for playing cards...I can tell you don't play poker because your "tell" is showing. CNN has several news programs, I find it hard to believe you don't remember which one had a direct quote from Debbie Rowe? Seems a whole lot of people are holding themsevles out as being her representative and attributing quotes to her...doesn't it.

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I never said she was the first or only, I said she was one of few. And she was. You yourself only named what, 4 people? And why were those 4 ever even "famous"? Because they were one of the few. If there were a whole lot of people like them, no one would've given them a second glance.

You're entitled to your opinion of Michael's mother, as am I. They just happen to differ. I prefer not to condemn a woman I never met, but to give her the benefit of the doubt, and offer some valid possibilities for her actions in the past. They didn't refer to money as "slave wages" for nothing. Black people were greatly underpaid, and a black woman even more so. 8 kids is a lot of mouths to feed. And who watches the kids while she works? The local daycare of fifty years ago? I'll bet there was one on every corner, especially one that would accept black children. Good grief, there's a story in my paper today about parents of white kids making their kids get out of a public pool when black children showed up, and this is 2009.

You see it your way, I see it mine, and that's okay. Have a good night.

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Hey Julia - lets expand on the whole ballgame analogy. How about sharing your thoughts on this..

When we are born, we are already in our uniform (black, white, etc)and assigned to a team (male or female). Do you agree that over the course of his life MJ tried to change his uniform? I never saw any indication of changing teams...just the uniform.

What say ye?

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As for playing cards...I can tell you don't play poker because your "tell" is showing. CNN has several news programs, I find it hard to believe you don't remember which one had a direct quote from Debbie Rowe? Seems a whole lot of people are holding themsevles out as being her representative and attributing quotes to her...doesn't it.

Oh, so now you know MY mind, and MY intent, and insinuate I'm lying? How interesting.

FYI, I worked a 12 hour shift every day for the past week and a half because of the holiday, and the fact my coworker is on vacation, and last week every freaking CNN show had the same thing on... MJ. Excuse me for not writing down what show I watched after a 12 hour shift, I didn't know there was going to be a test.

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No Julia..i don't know your mind or intent and did not say that you were lying. In poker a "tell" is how you know another players next move. In conversation, the tell is how you know another person is frustrated or irritated. Not lying, but irritated.

I am sorry that you have had to work 12 hour shifts for the past week and a half. Relative to CNN or any media coverage of the MJ topic, they all said and showed the same things.You noticed that because you said so.

No is it not a test..but since MJ died various people have run before the media telling Debbie Rowe said she was going to do. Julia, I conceed MJs mom did the best she could at that time with the hand she was dealt and her skill as a player.

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I've had computer issues the last month or so, this is the first time I'm reading this thread.

I'm a Michael Jackson fan, I have always loved his music, and I never believed he was a molester of children,He like so many other stars, had leaches come "out of the woodwork" trying to extort money from him..I don't know about his personal life, nor do I really care..by his daughter's admission He was a good Daddy...and thats the only opinion that counts. its tragic, that he had drug problems, too bad he couldn't get help for it, but he probally didn't think he had a problem.

I feel really bad for his kids, the media is going to but them and Michael thru the wringer, and its a damn shame.

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This just came to mind........he had to release a couple of hits compilations, to keep "above water" on his contract obligations. And he was an incredible live performer, by all accounts.

So, why wasn't there ever a double-CD set ever issued? That would have been a logical choice.

There was one issued a few years ago and it is excellent! Here is a link to it on Amazon.

Tim

http://www.amazon.com/HIStory-Past-Prese...681&sr=1-13

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Pat and Shelley, As usual I totally agree with both of you. Michael Jackson was nothing more than a commodity to most of the people around him and being so depersonalized has a horribly profound effect on anyone. It's probably not possible to imagine how so-beyond insecure all this made him. Add to it that he was a wounded person to begin with and you have a prescription for disaster.

It sounds like Michael the person was the antithesis of the confident showman and musical genius he became onstage. Maybe he put his all into that and felt most at home onstage because he thought he had nothing else, as many performers do. How extremely sad. The private Michael seems to have been very kind, caring and childlike. He never grew up because Michael the performer never had the chance to be a kid. The dichotomy evidently left him totally without any personal identity to cling to.

Enter the opportunists, wannabe enablers and hangers-on and the parade of doctors and pharmacists. Confused performers and celebs often trust the wrong people and it seems he did just that, with childlike naivete. He told everyone that his doctors said the drugs were "safe." He thought that would keep him safe. I blame to so-called professionals who are in it for the money and the second-hand "fame" of treating a celeb. If the doctors had cared anything about their patient, this wouldn't have happened.

I don't think he wanted to die. I think he trusted the wrong people because he didn't realize he had more sense on his own than all the rest of them put together.

As for his kids, I think he cared most about them. But when someone is in terrible personal pain, they're not thinking logically. I think he was incapable of straight logical thought.

I'm glad his tribute was beautiful and not a garish circus, because he'd had enough of that in life. He deserves to be remembered for the monumental musical genius, and the caring, if imperfect, human being and "Daddy" that he was.

:)--Darlene

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Kathy Lee, you're absolutely correct. Michael was "the" one, with all the promise and hope dumped directly on his head. I'm sure that the other Jackson siblings even resented him as well for all the attention and pressure he got from Joe and everyone else. Michael WAS the J 5, unfortunately, and he was the "star," at way too tender an age to bear such responsibility.

It's easy, Tony, to call him a "freak" and say his life was a "freakshow," but look at all the so-called "average" people who end up jumping out a window or living a life with alcohol, drug or behavioral addictions and tendencies, without ever having had all that kind of pressure. We all have our own demons, be they a dependency or "perfectionism," because we're all human, and some of us go down some pretty dark and twisted roads because we can't cope, but I don't think anyone who seems as unmalicious as Michael Jackson deserves to be called a freak.

I would say instead that the opportunists, hangers-on and people who preyed on him deserve to be called "freaks."

:)--Darlene

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OK Darlene, how about a compromise:

MJ was a FREAK with loads of talent and a FREAK under alot of pressure?...

Anybody that has 20+ plastic surgeries (without being a burn victim on that part of your body) along with multiple chemical peels to look like he did...Oh, plus yearn to "cuddle" with little un-related boys...IS A FREAK!

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Michael, for all his great entertaining abilities,was one strange dude.This opinion was formed over many years, not in the last 2 weeks.I for one would never have allowed my two children to sleep over at his place,but I have no problem with my kid's having tons of his stuff loaded on their ipods for the past few years.MJ the performer and MJ the private person were worlds apart.

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A report in todays Star-Ledger states that Michael Jackson was regularly given an anesthetic drip to put him to sleep and to wake him up.It further stated that there were oxygen tanks and IV equipment in the bedroom.Very strange indeed.

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