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DEBATE # 2 OBAMA VS. MCCAIN


Tony Cartmill

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O'Reilly is right, as usual:

The only way McCain has a chance to win now, is to introduce Rudy Guliani as his new Attorney General and Mitt Romney as his new Treasury Secretary, campaign with them, and tell the people, along with fixing the problem, he is going to prosecute the assholes on Wall Street and the Government, no matter what party they belong, who helped CAUSE this World Financial Crisis!

But for some reason, McCain seems too stupid or unwilling to do this...

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Obama's ties to ACORN is what scares me silly. He'll have a branch of it in the White House. He insists on giving money to them still and says, "It's not in my purview to tell them how to spend it or not," but they spend it trying to steal the election by registering fictitious people to vote! (The starting lineup for the Dallas Cowboys, dead people and restaurant names, to name a few!) How many thousands of fraudulent voters have been registered across the country by ACORN. But the lousy media refuses to report it and looks the other way.

Then there's the spectre of socialism. Just imagine the govt taking over health care and screwing it up like they did the economy. Universal or govt healthcare doesn't mean everyone will get free health care. It means that the people who are govt cronies and favorites get treated first. Sure, they'll pay for your health care, but then you'll have to get in line to be treated, but FIRST to be APPROVED to be treated. The govt will be the gatekeeper. You won't just dance out to your doctor. Oh no. They'll TELL you when and IF you will be able to go to the doctor, and possibly even WHICH Dr. to go to. Socialized medicine is terrible. That's why people who live in countries who have it come here to be treated.

Imagine people suffering from cancer waiting for bureaucratic red tape to get tests and get treated, waiting for months because there are people ahead of them.

Be careful what you wish for. And what you THINK you're wishing for ain't what you get when the govt's involved.

frown --Darlene

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Remember Darlene, That good old Capitalism, aided by Gub-ment pressure and deregulation together caused this mess. The Gub-ment pressured and backed the crappy loans, but Wall Street greed cut up, then bundled and sold them, then cut up and sold insurance securities on the crap as well...So many groups to blame.

Fannie Mae/ Freddie Mac did about the same level of fraud that ENRON did. But since they were "Gub-ment" sponsored and loaded with CEO's that are cronies with the Dems and Repubs, do you think we will ever see anybody from those companies prosecuted like ENRON?

Maybe if an outsider like Sarah Palin gets in...

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Ted, does that mean that Obama's judgement in being in an alliance with William Ayers { a man who admits bombimg the pentagon] in pumping 50 million dollars into Chicago to promote radical teachings, or being involved with Tony Rezko in shady real estate deal, or sitting in Racist Rev Wrights church for 20 years should be looked at the same way? of course it should...and using your logic Obama is not fit to run for president. Or we could have two different standards, which many seem to employ here.

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Sean Hannity is presenting a documentary about Barack Obama on FOX News tonight at 9:00 p.m. EST, and he's saying that he's going to present information and evidence that no one else in the news media was willing to report.

Hannity was one of the media talk hosts interviewed in Jerome Corsi's book "The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality". The book has been largely challenged as being mostly misleading or false.

I thought Hannity had been pretty harsh with McCain/Palin since the RNC. Is he just trying to redeem himself as a serious media person willing to present all the facts at hand, or does he have another agenda?

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Rick Davis (McCain's Campaign Manager) was on one of the morning talk shows with Obama's campaign head. Davis was aggressive (a good thing) but was rude, and came off as an angry idiot. He surely lost ground within any undecideds that were watching.

Such an elementary gaff, it's vexing..

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A-Berries - You can insult me by calling me an "average voter", or stating that I sound like one all you want....you and everyone else who are in the tank for Obama, either because he has the "D" next to his name on the ballot, or you have blind faith in him.....STILL can't explain how exactly he's fulfilling his promise of being a new type of politician, one who's above the negative campaigning, one who's going to make a difference - because ultimately, you know as little about the guy as the rest of us! It's kinda hard to get too deep in talking about the guy, when it's fairly obvious that he doesn't want anybody to delve all that deeply into his past and accomplishments.

What's out there??? A couple of self-serving, if very well-written autobiographies that basically show him as a lot more left wing than he's now representing himself. A small handful of State Senate and U.S. Senate votes that likewise, show he's a lot more to the left than he's now claiming. Other than that, it's a bunch of speeches...which are also obviously self-serving since he's trying to get elected. Ultimately, actions, to me, speak much louder than words...and Obama doesn't have that extensive a history as a man of action. IMO, he's been extremely lucky....between Hillary's totally disorganized cluster-f*** of a primaries campaign, and then the Wall St. fiasco falling into his lap, on Bush's (and the Republicans') watch....

Hell, if you really want gossip from DC....I know a member of my Agency's Congressional Liaison staff (a lifelong Democrat, BTW), who claims he's heard that BO's no-showing throughout most of his US Senate career has been a deliberate attempt to NOT build a track record that could be examined or picked apart later....Does that make you comfortable? It sure doesn't make me.....And once again, if I vote, I'm probably voting for him, NOT McCain! If you want to make a case for him as a preferable alternative to McCain, I agree! But that doesn't make him someone I really want sitting in the White House, just because he's better than McCain/Palin.

P.S. Ultimately, a half-hearted vote for Obama by someone who's holding his nose while pulling the level (and who's more opposed to McCain/Palin) counts just as much as a vote by someone who thinks Obama's the 2nd coming of JFK/MLK Jr. & Jesus Christ combined!

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As a healthcare provider......I've been concerned about nationalized healthcare since "HillaryCare" in '94. That's why in NJ, we have three locations that accept SOME insurance and two locations that are CASH only. This is the way it is in Great Britain. Folks with $ will get what they want...and those without will wait in line. Do you know even with insurance, we don't accept 90% of the folks who call in? Just wait til everyone has Gub=ment=care! Scarey days ahead!

John

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>>by JohnO: A-Berries - You can insult me by calling me an "average voter"

JO i went out of my way in the very next sentence to explicitly say "i'm not saying this describes you". you are taking the "average voter" words on & owning them in a way i did not state or intend

my point was that the over-generalized/simplified list of traits you provided that supposedly make Obama so suspect are bereft of facts & details behind the actual stories that play out as non-issues or non-"scandals"

i didn't say you are plagued w/ Obama paranoia & conveniently look the other way when it comes to Repub track records re: big spending/big government & deregulation setting us up for economic meltdown, like hollies - now that woulda been offensive! heh..

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so what's w/ all the crazies at the Repub rallies yelling "hang him" & "Obama is a Muslim/terrorist"?? jeezus man, they come out of the woodwork when you get a towering bastion of intelligence like Vice President Avon Lady coming out w/ "he's out there pal'in' around w/ terrorists". incomprehensibly shameful & irresponsible..

wow, i cant wait till this election's over so we can all get off our rants & back on the same side & talk about the Raspberries instead (albeit w/ a suspicious look out the corner of our eyes)!

& should there be another Raspberries reunion show, the beer is on the losing side! ;-)

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eh, i reply to you hollies, not articles (which we could lob each other all day long) - thats what this blog is for. i'm still waiting on a number of replies from you re: direct questions i've asked you, like the one earlier in this thread:

hollies - your mantra = "obama is a puppet"

now, we know The Shrub, proven commodity & towering intellect that he is, was & is puppeteered by Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, & Corporate America, etc etc etc

O's intellect is prob about 5x that of Bush's, & this type of candidate/person is by nature & design much less prone to be dangled on others' strings & agendas

so lay out your conspiracy theory for me here, but check your paranoia at the door - who, in your mind, is puppeteering Obama? i can't wait for this one..

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