marvin Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 Yes everyone's opinions are important. So here are mine on Pierson's comments:1. "Love Is A Battlefield" - Pierson you give yourself away when you say you're not a fan of Pat, and that the song "had one of the worst videos ever..." Forget the video and listen to the song with an open mind, not with one that does not like Pat.2. "Cover Me" - very unfair to compare this song to "Born to Run", but personally I love the guitar solo. If you've never heard it before, check out the bootleg of the song that begat "Cover Me." It's called "Drop On Down and Cover Me."3. "Seperate Ways" - again you say "I'm not a Journey fan." You can't say you hate a song by prefacing it that way. Granted this is not the highlight of Journey's career but your critique is a bit too critical.4. "All She Wants To Do Is Dance" - All I'll say about this song is that it COOKS live! Typical of any Henley song, there's much more to the lyrics than what you see on the surface. Let's just say that the song has nothing to do with a girl that wants to dance. 5. "Best of Times" - As Styx ballads go, I'll take "The First Time" over this song, so I'll agree with your opinion about it being"Schlocky", but one of the worse songs ever? Nah.6. "You've Made Me So Very Happy" - Ok it's not typical BS&T, but it's slow jazzy groove is so smooth, and then the tempo changes are incredibly original.7. "Everything I Do I Do It For You" - In my opinion, as far as incredible hooks go, this one has one of the best Bridges EVER!8. "When A Man Loves A Woman" - If ever there was a sure thing as far as lighting up the dance floor goes, this one is it. Percy's singing is just the right mixture of heart and soul. 9. "Fernando" - Abba wrote some of the most lyrically annoying but melodically amazing songs around. This one is right up there.10. "You Can Call Me Al" - Have you ever tried to play this in a band? Killer horn charts and a bass line that's almost impossible. Who cares about the lyrics when you've got music this challenging.11. "When It's Love" - I'm not the biggest Haggar fan around, but I'll still take his singing over David Lee anytime. 12. "3am" Matchbox 20 - I guess you figure this is "one of the worst lead vocal takes" because of "it's the over-ennunciating syndrome"?? I still think it's a catchy song.Marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuliaD Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 marvin, in my post on the previous page, I said "Celine is popular", so I think, in saying that, I admitted a lot of people like her. I just don't happen to be one of them. And you think we "put Eric on a pedestal" just because we like an album you don't? That's even more interesting than the Celine thing.and Tony, you're entitled to your opinion too, but really, calling people musical idiots for not liking someone you like is a bit immature, doncha think?we all have our own tastes and preferences, and I have said more than once "you're entitled to your opinion". I think it'd be nice if I was entitled to mine without being told I have someone on a pedestal or that I'm an idiot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 Julia I don't think that I ever said that you put Eric on a pedestal, however, I'm sure you'll agree that there are many people on this site who feel Eric can do no wrong. Call me a cynic, but I'm not one of those people. I visit this site because I like exchanging opinions with people who share a common interest, and I really do love MOST of Eric's music. Marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 I don't care for Celine's style on many songs. I have never bought one of her CDs. But her voice is a freak of nature. Such power and range. She hits high notes with such strengh and command that no other pop singer can do since "Babs". An opera singer can hit those notes, but with a totally different style and type of music. You don't have to like her style to recognize the vocal talent.Mariah Carey has almost as much (but not quite) vocal strengh and raw talent, but her "Chasing a fly around the room" singing style of late wastes her killer voice. I haven't liked her music since the "Music Box" CD.But again, If you don't recognize Celine's incredible vocal talent, (not her style) then you are a music idiot. JuliaD, are you a music idiot, or not? How about JoAnne? Idiot or not an idiot? <img border="0" alt="[blech!]" title="" src="graemlins/blech.gif" /> Just say, "OK Tony, that skinny little freak has a really strong voice.", and you can stay in the smart igloo with me and the Canadians... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuliaD Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 marvin, sorry if I misunderstood, but I know you intensely dislike WD, and that you know I'm one of the people who likes it, and I thought you were referring to people who like WD as those who "put Eric on a pedestal".I don't think Eric is infallible, no man is infallible. One song of Eric's I really dislike, other than the fabulous piano in it, is ABM, yes, even Eric's version. It just sounds like he's straining his voice to a level he really shouldn't be to me. And Celine's version is the spawn of the devil as far as I'm concerned, I swear there's notes in there only dogs can hear, and no, I don't see her screaming as "talent", but like I said before, to each his own. If we all liked the same stuff, the only music that ever would have been popular would probably be the stuff they listened to when dinosaurs roamed the earth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierson Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 here are mine on Pierson's comments:HERE ARE MY RESPONSES....1. "Love Is A Battlefield" - Pierson you give yourself away when you say you're not a fan of Pat, and that the song "had one of the worst videos ever..." WELL, I WOULD NEVER WANT TO SAY I AM A FAN... IT'S DEFINITELY FAIR TO CRITICIZE A BAND/SINGER YOU'RE NOT A FAN OF... EVEN IF YOU TAKE OUT THE VIDEO THE SONG IS ANNOYING... AND THE PRODUCTION IS AWFUL2. "Cover Me" - very unfair to compare this song to "Born to Run", I DIDN'T COMPARE IT TO 'BORN TO RUN'--I STATED THAT IT WAS WRITTEN BY THE SAME GUY...A VERY DIFFERENT POINT... THE LEAD IS GOOD, BUT THE SONG AS A WHOLE LACKS SPRINGSTEEN'S BEST TRADEMARKS...3. "Seperate Ways" - again you say "I'm not a Journey fan." You can't say you hate a song by prefacing it that way. YES, YOU SURE CAN... I HATE BARBARA STRIESAND BUT I CAN TELL YOU VERY CONFIDENTLY THAT "THE WAY WE WERE" IS A MUCH BETTER SONG THAN "WOMAN IN LOVE"4. "All She Wants To Do Is Dance" - All I'll say about this song is that it COOKS live! THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THE RECORDED VERSION HAS THAT ATROCIOUS '80S PRODUCTION... AND I STILL CAN'T HANDLE THE LAME CHORUS5. "Best of Times" - As Styx ballads go, I'll take "The First Time" over this song, so I'll agree with your opinion about it being"Schlocky", but one of the worse songs ever? YOU'RE RIGHT... 'MR. ROBOTO' IS A BIGGER CRIME 7. "Everything I Do I Do It For You" - In my opinion, as far as incredible hooks go, this one has one of the best Bridges EVER!A BRIDGE DOESN'T ERASE BAD LYRICS OR AN OVERWROUGHT SENTIMENT8. "When A Man Loves A Woman" - If ever there was a sure thing as far as lighting up the dance floor goes, this one is it. JUDGING SONGS ON THEIR ABILITY TO LIGHT UP DANCE FLOORS OR BY HOW 'POPULAR' THEY WERE DOESN'T FLY WHEN SONGS LIKE "THE MACARENA" AND "DO YA THINK I'M SEXY" EXIST... 10. "You Can Call Me Al" - Have you ever tried to play this in a band? Killer horn charts and a bass line that's almost impossible. Who cares about the lyrics when you've got music this challenging.NOW THAT'S THE EXACT KIND OF THINKING THAT GETS EVERYBODY IN TROUBLE. IF WE APPLAUDED STUFF THAT WAS CHALLENGING IRREGARDLESS TO THE LYRICS THAN ALL THE PROG ROCK MADE BETWEEN 1969-1973 WOULD BE THE GREATEST STUFF EVER... EVERYTHING MUST WEIGH ACCORDING TO ITS PLACE AND ALL OF ITS ELEMENTS... A CHEESEY KEYBOARD SOLO CAN RUIN A GOOD SONG AND OVER-INDULGENT EGO-CRAZED GUITAR SOLO CAN DO THE SAME... THE RASPBERRIES WERE DEFINITIVE EXAMPLES OF STYLE AND TASTE AND PRACTICED THE ART OF BREVITY TO PERFECTION.. AND THEIR LYRICS NEVER STEPPED OVER THE LINE OF SCHMALTZ AND CHEESE... THEY LEARNED FROM THE '60S FOREFATHERS (BEACH BOYS, BEATLES, WHO, LEFT BANKE) AND KNEW WHERE THE DREADED SCHLOCK-LINE WAS...11. "When It's Love" - I'm not the biggest Haggar fan around, but I'll still take his singing over David Lee anytime. SURE HE WAS A BETTER SINGER, BUT THE BAND LOST THEIR EDGE AND PERSONALITY12. "3am" Matchbox 20 - I guess you figure this is "one of the worst lead vocal takes" because of "it's the over-ennunciating syndrome"?? I still think it's a catchy song."WE BUILT THIS CITY" IS A CATCHY SONG BUT IT'S ALSO THE WORST SONG EVER WRITTEN... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Allen Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 ...Seems to me y'all have a little bit too much time on ye olde hands (and I can't believe no one's mentioned anything by the horrid Joe Walsh -- with the exception of 'Midnight Man' and 'Walk Away' by the James Gang, of course.) Seldoot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggiesjc Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 Pierson, I've really enjoyed your first explanations, then your follow-up responses. I think you're on target on nearly everything you've written. Jennifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 Pierson I can accept your opinion and rationalization on the songs, even though I don't agree with most of them. Thanks.Marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 Pierson and Marvin Rock! If only Bush and Kerry could get their points across like this in the upcoming presidential debates...I'm still waiting for Bush learn how to speak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 Tony you can be my campaign manager.Marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 Tony you can be my campaign manager.Marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuliaD Posted February 26, 2004 Share Posted February 26, 2004 marvin, you'll have to die and be reincarnated as a US citizen if you plan to run for president. Unless, of course, Ahhhhhhhnold gets his way and they change the law, then you'll only have to live here for 20 years first. But first you have to admit WD is a good album, and burn all your Celine Dion recordings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 As campaign manager, I will organize special private groping sessions between Marvin and Celine...Hey, it made Arnold a better politician, "And all doze tings..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 Julia guess what? I don't own a single cd by CD!I never said that I liked her, I only acknowledge her having a good voice. As far as saying anything positive about "WD", the only thing that I can come up with is that I'm positive it's among Eric's worst albums. Marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuliaD Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 Well, here's hoping marvin is into bones... ain't much flesh on her unless he wantsa grab her "meaty" vocal chords Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuliaD Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 marvin, I'm afraid you're not presidential material Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 Well I'm not sure what qualifies as "presidential material", but I'd bet that I'm just as knowledgeable on American and World politics as the 'average' American. Marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 Marvin, as your manager, I advise you to take the, "Hey, it ain't wrong unless you get caught" philosophy Clinton used in his personal and public leadership when he was in public office. Hollywood and the NY & LA Times will make sure you get 8 years of power...Make sure you hire some slim interns this time, so old Tony here can get some quality leftovers.Cha cha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggiesjc Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 Okay, off politics and back to the topic - I hate "Celebration" by Kool and the Gang,"I Want Your Sex" by George Michael, and "Free Falling" by Tom Petty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 ..and the band that I was in did two of those song: "Celebration" and "Free Fallin." "FF" had some really difficult harmonies to try to master.Marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julie Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 "Only Women Bleed". Eewwwww!!!! (Alice Cooper?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JuliaD Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 okay, off the topic and back to politics. marvin, I told ya, you have to admit WD is a good album to run for President oh, yeah, American politics *is* world politics, believe it or not, the USA hasn't dropped off the face of the earth and formed its own planet! And in the back to the topic category, Only Women Bleed was about emotional trauma, not, well... you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bahoodore Posted February 27, 2004 Author Share Posted February 27, 2004 Aggie....I agree with you wholeheartedly on Free Falling...I can't stand it. I have found with TOm Petty that I either love or hate his tunes, though I have to admit, I do like the sound of his voice and I think he's one of the coolest R&R guys ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggiesjc Posted February 27, 2004 Share Posted February 27, 2004 I actually saw Tom Petty in concert in 1981, mostly because a bunch of my friends were going. His album with the song "The Waiting" had just come out, I think, and Stevie Nicks showed up to sing "Stop Dragging My Heart Around" with him. I ended up buying a concert shirt, gray baseball style with black sleeves, from that show, but never wore it. It was pristine, but useless to me, and in 2001 I was on the verge of giving it to my cat as bedding. However, I put it up for sale on eBay instead, and it brought almost $40. The woman who bought it was going to wear it to a TP concert that was coming up, so my timing as a seller was perfect 20 years after I bought it!Jennifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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