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McCain Booed by Columbia Students


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This week John McCain was booed by many in the audience while he was giving a speech at Columbia University.

Maybe our generation should have done more spanking to the kids we raised. Agree or disagree with John McCain, he's a guy with integrity who's committed his professional life to bettering the United States. To boo him is not just disrespectful but dispicable, IMHO.

I remember in about 1980 I went to see George McGovern speak at the U. of South Florida where I was attending at the time. At that time of my life I abhorred McGovern's policies as did many in the audience. But like McCain, he had integrity and was a class act. We not only didn't boo but we clapped in thanks as he left the podium. The same thing when I saw Gerald Ford speak at Texas Christian U.

Questioning, disagreeing, protesting...these are great things when done with conviction. Humiliating people of integrity is the opposite.

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Hopefully those that booed will not be future leaders in our communities. I can't agree about spanking being the answer, because that never helped anyone develop class, tolerance for different opinions, or respect. Those so-called young adults have obviously missed out on some serious character-building experiences throughout their lives. We've all heard "What goes around, comes around". Learning to be humble is not cheap.

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Some of what is to blame IMHO is the way in which certain "entertainers" project their dislike in a very disrespectful way to anyone they disagree with. At the tops of that list in my opinion is Rush Limbaugh. Rush is just plain nasty and mean spirtited. Sean Hannity is a close second. Al Franken is right in there as well. These guys do not give us any news. They just entertain those people who are looking for "red meat" to be thrown their way. They pass along what I refer to as "liquid hate". I remember Rush Limbaugh making very very derogartory comments about Chelsea Clinton and how he thought she was ugly and other things back when her father was President. If I were in a crowd I would love to hear John McCain, Jimmy Carter, George McGovern, Al Simpson, Alan Cranston (now deceased), Ted Kennedy, Rudy Gullinani, Bill Clinton, Gerald Ford and the list goes on. Some of them I agree with more than others but they have all made a committment to public service and we are all rewarded when both sides of an issue speak to it with their best shot. Sean Hannity claiming that anytime a Democrat speaks to a side of an issue he doesn't agree with is "politicizing" the process is missing the bigger picture. Its sad that polarity and polarity developing is what is in vogue. It doesn't have to be that way but unfortunately too often it is.

Phil

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It used to be that people could talk about anything, and were more willing to "agree to disagree" or were willing "compromise". There is no longer any willingness on most peoples part to even debate issues. Too much "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude. It's sad. Unfortunately, I don't see anything changing in the near future. crying

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It's getting worse. It's very interesting the polls show the vast majority of the public detest the devisive bi-partisan politics, which ends up advancing few solutions to critical issues and problems , but yet it doesnt change. The need to maintain power and ego, by playing this game, transcends the need to accomplish more for the country as a whole. In general, I think the problem lies in the "types" of many of the people that are attacted to becoming politicians and radio hate show hosts. Too much ambition, too many words. I truly don't believe the founding fathers intended a "government by the people and for the people," to be controlled solely by the powerful, the most educated, the biggest egos.

Its a tough call related to the points above. Yes, people should be more respectful but our freedoms of speech allow us to "boo" whether it's a ballgame or a politician. But it's clear the tremendous "us vs. them" mentality is affecting constructive and rational debate and finding solutions to big problems. This schism, between left and right, in American culture may not heal in my opinion. It is actually linked to many more broadly based issues than simply the current war, abortion, and gay rights.

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Solution: Time for a major 3rd party with McCain as the lead...And a great PR firm to sell it to the people as "THE PARTY THAT WILL RISE ABOVE PARTISAN BICKERING AND ACTUALLY FIX THE PROBLEMS IN AMERICA AND BEYOND!"

Get Bill O'Reilly's seal of approval, and it will work as a viable independent party.

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Many people are becoming spoiled and self-indulgent. One of my former music students is now substitute teaching and she told me she had a headache because the first graders in her charge wouldn't listen no matter WHAT she did! I figured out that these darlings will be my students the last two years of my career. Lucky me!

They just don't have respect for anyone nor anything. I hope their parents aren't letting them run all over them, because those same parents will really regret it when these kids are 16 or 17. Then they'll wonder what they did wrong.

--Darlene

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TONY CARTMILL!!

Bill O'Reilly has you hypnotized eye ....he's caused you to leave the fold.....he's made you into an apostate (whatever that means confused ).....

.....I will meditate on this for you:

....AAAAUMMMMMMMM, AAAAAAAUUUUUMMMMMMM........

TONY CARTMILL....it's time to get back to the TRUTH .....Brother, you must come back HOME......you must be brought back to the teachings of the GREAT ONE....back to the wisdom of..of.. eek :

THE DARLENE-LAMA

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I have had this very argument with the Health Dept for years! they're always telling me to work on a reward system with the kids, or work on writing up a contract where they get such-and-such if they comply. My position: how about teaching kids to obey and comply because you are the parent and they need to learn to do the things they are being taught?<grrrr> then they all come to me and ask me how I've gotten such results out of kids with so many serious disorders. I refuse to accept less!<grrr> My job isn't to be their best friend. My job is to teach them to think for themselves so they can follow through on what they've learned when I'm not there and can become respectable, functional, self-sufficient adults and I'm going to do that if it kills all of us!!!LOL

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And there's millions of other kids who feel the same way as your daughter's friend. But I suspect most don't say it..or don't even realize it themselves.

I lived in Hyde Park for some years which is on the south side of Chicago and a very integrated neighborhood. I used to run and play tennis at the U. of Chicago outdoor facility and often there'd be neighborhood kids hanging around. I'd often engage the kids in banter & conversation... loving kids & being an eternal kid myself.

The following is a boring non-event but supports the important point Kathy made....which is an axiom, IMHO. While running on the U. of Chicago track I noticed 2 kids taking all the toilet paper rolls from the port-a-potty and starting to TP the football stands. I went up to them and told them to stop and asked them what the next person to use the john would do w/o TP, who would clean up the TP mess they were about to make etc etc. Instead of rebelling against me the kids put the TP back where it belonged....and then latched on to me as if I was the Pied Piper.

This is a dumb story but it makes a point. It was 100% obvious to me that these kids were absolutely craving discipline...craving someone to have authority over them....craving someone to care enough about them to intervene when they were behaving poorly.

Another time 2 kids stole the purse of a lady playing tennis on the court next to where I was playing. My tennis partner & I chased the kids around the neighborhood until we caught them and brought them back. These 2 kids were savvy to our whiney society & were threatening us with molestation charges, assault...everything in the book. We got the cops there and asked them to take the kids in to the station to impress on the kids a lesson. Retrieving the purse was secondary..we felt it was imperative that we caught these kids and ensured some consequences for their actions...for THEIR own good. The cops were disinterested which made me livid. What better duty could they perform for an hour than to teach a couple kids who were heading in the wrong direction in life a hard lesson!? I pleaded my case with the cops and they half-heartedly said they'd take the kids down to the station. I'm not sure that they did.

Point is that these kids had no real parental involvement in their lives and even the cops were disinterested. Too many of our generation seem loathe to do the necessary work that's involved with the responsibility of raising kids.

Though not a fan of Hillary, I think her statment "it takes a village" is somewhat profound and pertinent.

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It looks like I have to do some disagreeing--not about kids needing to be raised with limits and with strong parenting but with the idea that there is something wrong with the graduates objecting to this speech.

They didn't get to choose the speaker. The speaker was forced upon them. They had every reason to express themselves on that topic--it's the American way. They also had the right not to listen to him if they chose not to; that is also the American way. The only thing that wouldn't have been the American way is if they had attempted to prevent anyone, anywhere, from ever being able to listen to him. They didn't. They were fully within their rights to say "I don't want to have him speaking at my commencement."

There's nothing inherently disrespectful about it, either.

From what I gather, part of the problem was that McCain was delivering a canned "stump speech" at every commencement at which he spoke, rather than addressing the class. They had a right to object to that. Commencement speeches should be addressing the class, not an opportunity to say "Vote for me"--which is, sadly, how all too many politicians use them.

And that's my two cents. I expect to be heartily disagreed with, but I honestly think we don't do America any good by promoting a "children should be seen and not heard" attitude at a college commencement.

Do kids need discipline? Absolutely. Do they exhibit discipline by peacefully objecting to a commencement speaker? I think so. If they'd been hurling rocks and bottles, THEN I would have had a problem.

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I see your point Trindy, but...How do you know what McCain is trying to say if you are booing and shouting over him as he is trying to say it? You cannot hear if you are booing simaltaneously.

The Reality is: McCain is a target of the left becuase he is a Republican and supports some of "Satan Bush's" policies. By graduation time, 80% of the college students have just been politically brainwashed by their "enlightened" socialist professors for the last 4-6 years of their lives (depending on how much pot they smoked in the dorm). Liberal good, Conservative bad. So anybody with an "R" in front of their name on CNN, no matter how moderate they are, gets the typical anti-tolerance left-wing treatment.

I think it would be more powerful, if you disagreed with what the speaker is saying, to give a loud "Boooooooooo!" at the END of the "canned" speech, to show the speaker that you actually LISTENED to WHAT they were saying. frown

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Agreed. Boo if you must, but save it for the end.

It's these me, me, me people that kill me. Ok, maybe you don't want to hear what McCain has to say, but I'm sure there were some in attendance that did. I'd say it was more disrespectful for their fellow students.

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Who here remembers the name of the guest speaker at their commencement? More importantly, what did they say? Being the little non-conformist that I was (am?), I didn't show up for my graduation - it was just another line to stand in. I paid the $50 fine and had them mail my diploma, which has been buried in a box heaven-only-knows-where for 25 years. I wouldn't know where to find it if I wanted to!

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  • 4 weeks later...

Tony, I think these students knew what McCain was going to say because they already knew he had said it elsewhere...

McCain as a "target of the left" is irrelevant, because not all the students are "left." There is a variety in student thought now as there always has been. Students retain the capacity to think for themselves, no matter what their professors say.

And Mellie, I do remember each and every graduation speaker i ever had. Luckily for me, they were all good ones!

Jules, I agree the students should be treated like adults...not children! But that doesn't appear to be how they're being spoken of here...they're being spoken of as if they were children failing to respect their elders properly.

Protest is an American right.

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True. And we enjoy this privilege because of citizens past and present with the courage and character of guys like McCain.

And criticism of bad behavior/bad trends in society is also an American right...and further a responsibility.

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