BadfingerBarb Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 John's solo stuff was never as good as Paul's...He had so many spotty albums and his light moments were as embarrasing as Paul's...Oh Yoko, Only People,One Day At a Time,Angela, Tight A$...If McCartney had written Love or Beautiful Boy, he would be getting hammered by the critics I have to disagree completely. Except for "Sometime in New York City", I found all of John's albums to be extremely good and consistent and far better than most anything Macca ("Ram" and "Band on the Run" excluded) was putting out at the time. Apart from "Angela" (which I think is more of a Yoko song) I think quite highly of all the songs you mentioned and thought the same long before John died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspbernie Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Don't forget, SOMETIME IN NEW YORK CITY had "Luck of the Irish."Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregkevinw Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 lew,count me as one of the folks that completely disagree with you. before his death i felt that johns solo career had far more sunbstance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 John's dead? How come I'm the last to know these things... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew Bundles Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Death has a tendency to distort peoples perceptions and alter actualities... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 I always felt that both John and Paul turned out work that was sub-par to their Beatle days, but that John was much better in his solo career than Paul. Sure, Paul cranked out a greater number of songs, but John had overall higher quality. The more I listen to Paul's latest effort the more I dislike it. Anyway....just my two cents worth for this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raspberrywine Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 The critics always give McCartney the benefit of the doubt ofcourse but I dont think he's done a consistently good album since "Venus and Mars."This new, supposed , hit song from the new album is boring and repetetive. Compare McCartneys voice to Erics nowadays. Eric is absolutely unbelievable while McCartney sounds dismal. I wouldnt pay $10 to see McCartney if he was playing in the nextdoor neighbors yard. Boring. The last time I thought he was excellent in concert was Wings Over America in 1976. His concerts are like a formulaic now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackhawkpat Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 Until the Raspberries reformed, I felt that the last tour Paul did in 2002 were the best two concerts I had ever attended (we were fortunate enough to have him stop early in the tour and then a second time at the tail end of the tour in Chicago). I've seen Paul eight or nine times over the years and he just gets better live each time.I will say in regard to the other Paul thread here, I'm not too happy about seeing "I Saw Her Standing There" and "All My Loving" missing from his current set list,and I hope that changes, but I'm still looking forward to his United Center visit next month.Your killing me with the "dismal" remark on Paul's voice. He is 63 and still sings all the songs in the same key from when he was twenty! Paul and Eric both have amazing voices and in my opinion, the best two rock singers of all time.While I respect your opinion, I don't think Paul has EVER gotten the respect of the critics, certainly not locally here. If anything, I feel the locals here can't wait to jump all over the guy when a new CD or tour happen. While, yes, he was a member of the Beatles, it's simply not fair to compare EVERY record he does to a Beatles record, like the critics always do. Paul is to Beatles as Eric is to Raspberries in my world. I don't compare, I just love listening to them all!I enjoy the new CD (and the DVD is great) but it is definately a departure from what we are used to hearing from him. I think that many fans are "comfortable" with hearing Paul doing verse, verse, chorus, verse, verse, chorus, etc and this record doesn't do that. That is why I think people have such a diversified opinion of this disc. It is clearly a more "mature" sound, with fantastic engineering, I might add. Initially, nothing really stuck out on first listen, but on the whole, I have found I enjoy it more with each listen. "This Never Happened Before", "Anyway", and "Jenny Wren" are probably my favorites. I do miss Paul doing a screaming rocker on there, but I also love Paul at the piano and this record is loaded with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted September 24, 2005 Author Share Posted September 24, 2005 Pat has hit the nail on the head. Considering he has released 20 post-Beatles albums, Paul will never be able to shake the ghosts of the past. Doesn't matter if it's "Band on the Run", "Venus", Back to the Egg", "Flaming Pie", "Flowers" or "Chaos." Paul's musical fate is set. I think he's made peace with this, but it's too bad not everyone else can accept this.Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris hess Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 amen to the 2 above!!!!u guys see this & most do'nt..he needs more credit,as he was ONE of the most respected songwriter teams in music period!!!..AND also as a solo writer in his own right..and by the way..all paul critics..what was the last song u wrote??! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspbernie Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 I love BOTH Paul and John equally! Together they were great and separately they were great. Two of the greatest composers of all-time!Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregkevinw Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 finally heard the new cd... i like it.strong melodies, dont agree about strong lyrics."this never happened" sounds like a single to me.marv, you cant judge any of the solo beatles to the days when they WERE the beatles. that was four incredible talents that changed the world.as for paul being "burdened" with the ghost of the beatles... i'm sure everyone on this site would love to have that type "burden" on their resume.....pauls musical fate is going to be that of a legend....thats pretty good eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted September 24, 2005 Author Share Posted September 24, 2005 Fair enough Greg, but if we're going to make analogies, I know that in my work life I wouldn't want to be compared to what I did in the past. Judge me by my present merits, please.Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popdude Posted September 24, 2005 Share Posted September 24, 2005 Fair enough Greg, but if we're going to make analogies, I know that in my work life I wouldn't want to be compared to what I did in the past. Judge me by my present merits, please.Marv But Marv, what if your past merits were great and your present merits kinda sucked? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted September 24, 2005 Author Share Posted September 24, 2005 Ouch!Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew C. Clark Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I bought the Deluxe Edition (CD & DVD) at Best Buy last week. There is a bonus exclusive track called "Comfort Of Love" (which runs 3:10). Go to: www.bestbuy.com/mccartney & download that song. The access code is: 2FW4SPE5 You will hearing a ticking at the beginning of the song. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew Bundles Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Anybody have a change on their original take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAM Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 Six listens and it still don't float my boat. The only thing that interests me is Jenny Wren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted October 2, 2005 Author Share Posted October 2, 2005 Aw c'mon Mike. I know your ears and musical tastes are fine, so maybe it's your boat that needs mending.Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAM Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 Quite possible Marv, I haven't given up yet. Like I said before, it may have to grow on me. But usually I'm hooked by the second listen. Didn't happen this time. Maybe my boat hit an iceberg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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