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Mr E a few years ago this exact subject was brought up, and I also mentioned that "One Of these Nights" was pretty close to being a disco song. Don Felder's rip-snorting lead guitar makes you forget somewhat that in the background there's that unmistakable groove. Most people disagreed with my statement, but there's no doubt what Frey/Henley had in mind when they wrote that song. I've got a Henley interview somewhere where he mentions that his falsetto vocal was a tribute to Smokey Robinson.

Marv

Really? I always thought they were going for a Bee Gees thing. Great tune no matter what. Someone here (I think it was you) brought up the Eagles recently and I haven't pulled them out in a while and am now on a serious Eagles kick. Man, they were a great band....
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Henley was trying to vocalize like Smokey, but the song probably had a bit of Bee Gees influence. It was recored in the same studio (Criteria-Miami) where the Bee Gees did much of their 1970's work.

If you can get a hold of the two new recordings that the Eagles have just released through Wal-Mart ("Fast Company" and "Do Nothing"), you'll find that they are STILL a great band. In my opinion, the Henley/Frey writing duo deserves to be ranked alongside the best of all time. They had (still have) a knack for writing great lyrics and tying them to melodies that hook you in without much effort. Add Don Felder/Bernie Leadon/Joe Walsh and Randy Meisner/Timothy B Schmitt into the vocal and musical mix, and you had four-part harmony/playing that was pretty tough to beat.

Marv

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I can't think of the Eagles without recalling the hilarious lyrics from Mojo Nixon's tune "Don Henley Must Die" (done not long after Henley's second solo record, I think):

He's a tortured artist

Used to be in the Eagles

Now he whines

Like a wounded beagle

Poet of despair!

Pumped up with hot air!

He's serious, pretentious

And I just don't care

Don Henley must die!

Don't let him get back together

With Glenn Frey!

Don Henley must die!

Turn on the TV

And what did I see?

This bloated hairy thing

Winning a Grammy

Best Rock Vocalist?

Compared to what?

But your pseudo-serious

Crafty Satanic blot

Don Henley must die!

Put a sharp stick in his eye!

Don Henley must die!

Yea yea yea

Quit playin' that crap

You're out of the band

I'm only kidding

Can't you tell?

I love his sensitive music

Idiot poetry, swell

You and your kind

Are killing rock and roll

It's not because you are O L D

It's cause you ain't got no soul!

Don't be afraid of fun

Loosen up your ponytail!

Be wild, young, free and dumb

Get your head out of your tail

Don Henley must die!

Don't let him get back together

With Glenn Frey!

Don Henley must die!

Put him in the electric chair

Watch him fry!

Don Henley must die

Don Henley must die

No Eagles reunion

The same goes for you, Sting!

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If you can get a hold of the two new recordings that the Eagles have just released through Wal-Mart ("Fast Company" and "Do Nothing"), you'll find that they are STILL a great band. In my opinion, the Henley/Frey writing duo deserves to be ranked alongside the best of all time. They had (still have) a knack for writing great lyrics and tying them to melodies that hook you in without much effort. Add Don Felder/Bernie Leadon/Joe Walsh and Randy Meisner/Timothy B Schmitt into the vocal and musical mix, and you had four-part harmony/playing that was pretty tough to beat.

Marv

Yeah I think i will pick that up... I lean toward the early lineup, though the newer lineup is great too.... I got the original Melbourne DVD and thought it was excellent.... with the possible exception of Joe Walsh's "Hey everybody I got a CAMERA in my HELMET" speech that went on a bit long.... wink

I was singing "Take it to the limit" at the top of my lungs this morning... what an incredible song.... (Even with me trying to ruin it!) laugh

Paul

(Wondering how to morph the thread back to disco land.... Ah yes, The Disco Strangler!)

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"One Of These Nights" had some funk but no disco element to it, IMHO.

To me, Fry & Henley are probably the best writing duo in rock history. The ironic thing is that as good as they are, I probably tend more to Randy Meisner's songs, "Try & Love Again", "Tryin", "Take The Devil", "Is It True", etc...

What a band they were! All the line-ups were great but they lost something when Bernie Leadon and then Felder left, IMHO.

"Disco Strangler" was kind of a cool song.

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I don't think you can put anyone ahead of Lennon/McCartney in Rock music songwriting, but as far as a true writing parternship goes, I'd say that Henley/Frey were probably closer to this than Lennon/McCartney.

As far as Eagles pseudo-disco goes, try "Funky New Year."

Marv

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There are tons of great songwriting duos...

Jagger / Richards

Goffin / King

Becker / Fagen

John / Taupin

are just a couple off the top of my head from that era. I don't think there's any way to really measure worth. I like them all

Of course the few people like Brian Wilson that do everything so amazingly well really stand out in contrast to duos.

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I wonder how much of each person's perception of best writing duos is based on the music they like??? Just a thought that "flashed" through my brain...

well simply, Henley/Frey are allowed to be someone's "favorite" songwriting team and I would never argue that point... although, it's very hard to take anyone serious when they put someone like Glen Frey in such a HIGH category (he just doesn't cut it)... Henley, on the other hand, does, although it's by a very slim margin...

Lennon & McCartney can be listed as the "best" mainly because they were so revolutionary and GOOD, although Marvin's point is very valid; not much of what they wrote was a true collaboration...

i would actually say Bacharach/David are tops right along w/ Goffin/King if that's the criteria...

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oh yeah...

disco, not so bad at times...

try:

First Choice- Armed & Extremely Dangerous

David Bowie- 1984

Roxy Music- Angel Eyes

Donna Summer- I Feel Love

SOS Band- Take Your Time Do It Right

Bee Gees- Fanny Be Tender With My Love

Tavares- Only Takes A Minute

Yvonne Elliman- If I Can't Have You

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Disco - Better than Rap, but still an embarrassment to my generation. I liked about 20 percent of it, when it wasn't all just, "Get on the dance floor and dance, dance, dance and make romance..." lyrics. And I still cringe when I hear my beloved BeeGees overusing that shrieking falsetto on almost every song for about 4 years. Yikes, Barry! It's called OVERKILL! There were some quality songs there that I just can't listen to...

I think one of the best true Disco songs was "Native New Yorker" by Oddesey? Top Notch music and smart lyrics AND Disco? Wow, There's a rarity...

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RE: Frey & Henley

I didn't much like Frey's solo output...or at least what I heard. And that may be an indication that Henley carried the load in their collaberations....or maybe not.

Point is we're talking about song writing tandems...and to me the portfolio of songs credited to them as a tandem, while not as prodigious as many other duos, is superior to any rock duo that I can think of... for my tastes...including Lennon/McCartney.

Though many of their songs were written by all 3 brothers, the Brothers Gibb surely rank high in this discussion..

And back to Disco, I recall hearing a version of "Summer Breeze" done by the Isley Brothers...it's been 25 years since I've heard it...recall it being a stunningly good version at least bordering on a disco flavor..

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I just finished the book about the Eagles "Flying high" and according to all band members Frey's real strength was in arranging skills. Frey's solo work didn't really work for me all that much either, but the electricity in the Eagles is also greater than in any of their solo work, IMO.

Maybe Henley and Frey weren't equals in the songwriting dept. but the combination of the two was amazing. Taupin "just" wrote lyrics for Elton.... and yet when Taupin left a lot of the electricity did too.... Also The Eagles always had several songwriters to choose from within the band (and without if you count Jackson Browne and JD Souther...) I always liked Randy Meisner... Take it tot he limit and Bitter Creek are two favorites...

IMO great collaborations aren't necessarily always of equals in every level of songwriting, like Lennon and McCartney, but ultimately the spark is the thing.... whatever it takes to get that magic sound!

Paul

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Frey's nickname has always been "the Lone Arranger", a tribute to his arranging skills. His solo work is very different from his work in the Eagles. His love of R&B/Soul is evident in his solo work. All those years in Detroit played a big part in his musical influences.

"I Wish You Peace" was co-credited to Reagan's daugther, who at the time was dating Bernie Leadon, but I don't believe she actually had any part in the song.

Marv

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I used to love the song Bernie Leadon co-wrote with Ronald Reagans daughter...'I Wish You Peace' off One Of These Nights...Henley really hated it.Have not heard it in ages.

According to the "Flying high" book the reason "I wish you peace" was unpopular with some of the other Eagles was that it was perceived as a sort of Yoko Ono level of "girlfriend getting involved in things she shouldn't" situation and Bernie was using it as a pressure point... He had been unhappy for a while as the band got less country and more rock and was perhaps looking for a reaon to leave.
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Bernie Leadon was a great asset to the Eagles...great voice and contributed some really good writing. "My Man" is one of their best songs and he had a bunch of other valuable writing contributions...

I've looked for something worthwhile to buy of his since he left the Eagles but haven't found anything.

I'm welcome to suggestions from anyone in the know.

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