TOMMY TUNES Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 Hall belatedly acknowledges the much deserving rockers Blondie and Sex Pistols, along with Black Sabbath. Rock and Roll Hall of Fame also acknowleges non rock and roller Miles Davis and southern rockers (Ugh!!!) Lynyrd Skynyrd. Eligible but disgracefully shuns Kiss, Yes, Van Halen, Patti Smith (close but no cigar), Dave Clark Five, J. Geils Band, Cat Stevens , Iggy and the Stooges, Herman's Hermits, Chicago, Three Dog Night, Dictators, Sparks, Badfinger and of course four guys from Cleveland. Yet this same Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inducts the very talented but not Rock and Roll Miles Davis to add to the list of Blues, R&B, and Jazz greats already unjustly selected. Stay out of my Hall and I'll stay out of yours. "Tell me what can a poor boy do except to sing for a rock and roll band." When a reporter for The Cleveland Plain Dealer brought up the Hall in a 2003 interview Sex Pistol Johnny Rotten snapped, "It's a Hall of Shame-let's be accurate." The Hall, Rotten added, is "a low-rent Las Vegas" run by "fat, useless (expletive)-wits who don't know anything about music." it'll be interesting to see if Johnny shows up for the induction, and knowing him , even more interesting if he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted November 29, 2005 Share Posted November 29, 2005 These selections/omissions go from the sublime to the utterly absurd.Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeatleJay Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Lynyrd Skynyrd kicks ass, and should have been in years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silly Old Bear Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 Although I could be wrong, but didn't Chicago have more Top 40 hit songs than Blondie, the Sex Pistols, Black Sabbath, Miles Davis and Lynyrd Skynyrd combined? I wonder what judging criteria is used in deciding who is elected. Needless to say, these odd Rock and Roll Hall of Fame selections are just one of the reasons why I haven't bothered to watch any music related award show in years. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackhawkpat Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 I wonder how many songs rock and roll fans can name done by Van Halen as opposed to Miles Davis?I say, bring the "Pop Hall of Fame" (ooh, this should start something....the word "pop" always does) to Chicago, IL!!!!!! I would gladly accept at least half of this year's declines by the Rock Hall of Fame for the initial induction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Who decides? Obviously not the most brilliant crayons in the box. More obviously, politics rears its ugly head. Every award/honor has been given to those undeserving and denied those most deserving, but the track record of the R&RHOF does indeed run the gamut from sublime to ridiculous, Marvin. How about the POWERPOP Hall of Fame? --Darlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Allen Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Mile Davis? With all due respect - and trust me -I fully understand the genious of the man, his music and his well-deserved legacy - but I can't for the life of me figure out the Hall of Fame thing. Miles Davis = rock 'n roll? Not gettin' it. And the Sex Pistols over Alice Cooper? Doesn't make a lick 'o sense...If there was no Alice, there'd be no Pistols...or Dolls...or Kiss...or ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 There is simply no winner in a topic as subjective as this one is. Having said that, how the heck does Blondie get in the Hall?! Hey I'll be the first one to admit that they wrote SOME catchy songs, but how do you take the Hall seriously when for every Elvis, Beatles, Stones, etc, there's a (with all due respect) Blondie and Black Sabbath?! Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Another very biased and subjective statement: NO ONE can tell me that Blondie or even Sabbath wrote better songs than Raspberries. Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Allen Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Deborah Harry smells (or smelled). I recall passing her going upstairs at Max's Kansas City in the late '70s (I to see the Flashcubes, of course), and man, did she whiff! Plus, she was about 2 feet tall - not that there's anything wrong with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Nivan Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 No Iggy and the Stooges, huh?But Blondie's in ... but without Iggy ... Blondie never, ever, ever happens. Nor does a whole lot of other great stuff. I'm not an Iggy fanatic or even fan, but he and a few very select others own the distinction of keeping Rock 'n' Roll alive on it's numerous trips to near-oblivion.As for Blondie. Hey I like Buddy Bell a lot, but he's not getting my vote to Cooperstown.Baffled, I am,"K" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Yes, Cat Stevens and Chicago would get my vote. Timeless music that still seems fresh decades later should be high criteria in voting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 The only Hall of Fame the Sex Pistols deserve is the Needle Marks and Drug Acne Scars Hall Of Fame!It's a little museum in West Hollywood, I visit every year... :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Why do some people idolize the disgusting no-talent Sex Pistols? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Let's see:Tony is prejudiced against feminime male dancers........... (although we caught him flirting with Beatlebum a couple times!) and per the above, drug users Bob Allen shows a 2 pronged prejudice:1. Against the height challenged2. and against smelly chicks....(Bob would have a hard time passing on his genes if he lived in France )Anyway, I expect we'll receive the shakedown call from The Reverend Jackson by noonish tomorrow.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 I also have never understood the fascination with the Pistols or for that matter, most of 'punk' music. Maybe these bands received attention because they came at a time in the 1970's when music seemed like it was getting bland and predictable. I like a quick three minute song also, but at least give me something that has a sense of melody and has evidence that thought and intelligence went into the construction of the song. If you're looking for a band that was both revolutionary and influential, I'd say that the Clash are more worthy of the Hall than the Pistols.Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Early Wynn Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Like most sports, there are benchmarks that guarantee you entrance into the Hall of Fame...like 500 home runs, 3,000 hits, 300 wins, etc.... Unfortunately, there are apparently no benchmarks with Rock and Roll. If you looked strictly at hit records, then the Grass Roots and the Dave Clark Five would be in and the Sex Pistols and numerous others (already inducted) would be out. Look at album sales and Alice Cooper, Kiss, and Van Halen are in the first class. Bands like Queen and Black Sabbath used to get trashed by the critics....but now they're in the Hall. If you look at influential bands, well then the Raspberries should be in. The Hall lost all credibility for me when the inducted the Mamas and the Papas. Two decent songs and a couple of albums that didn't stand the test of time. They did look nice with flowers in the hair, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnO Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Marvin - Actually, the Clash were inducted into the HOF in 2003. The Pistols obviously made it in on the strength of the influence they had on others....otherwise, I doubt that 1 LP (no matter how good or bad) would have gotten them in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim From Wisconsin Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Of this years honorees no one is more deserving than Black Sabbath! With little or no airplay they inspired countless bands and essentially created a whole new genre of music. Love them (As I do) or hate them, they certainly deserve to be in the Hall of Fame!Marvin - I can't tell you that Black Sabbath wrote better songs than the Raspberries. It is comparing Raspberries to Oranges. But, for their style of music they were, and still are the best!Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerreds Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 With Blondie going in,and the Ramones and Talking Heads already in just one question-where is Television? DeeDee auditioned for the bass guitar slot in Television and was deemed not good enough and Television inspired the Ramones to do it in the first place.Television also inspired REM,Sleater-Kinney,Lloyd Cole,and many others.Their first album,Marquee Moon,is,in my humble opinion,one of the ten greatest rock albums of all time and Tom Verlaine and Richard Lloyd are two of rock's greatest guitarists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMMY TUNES Posted December 1, 2005 Author Share Posted December 1, 2005 I agree with you, rockerreds. I can remember a show I attended at CBGB's where Talking Heads were the opening act for Television. "Little Johnny Jewel...he's so cool" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMMY TUNES Posted December 1, 2005 Author Share Posted December 1, 2005 hey Marv, although I agree with you on many matters , you're way off base re the Sex Pistols. To this day I know of no other album so intense both lyrically and musically yet still posessing a " sense of melody " . Their songs are nothing if they are not "intelligent" but like my other favorite band they are not for all tastes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMMY TUNES Posted December 1, 2005 Author Share Posted December 1, 2005 by the way Marvie Boy,... next time VH1, or anyone for that matter, has a countdown of the most important or best rock and roll artists (or albums) and it's voted by rock and roll artists take a look how high the Sex Pistols or their lone album "Never Mind the Bollocks Here's the Sex Pistols" place. (hint- it's always above the Eagles and/or Hotel California) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raspberrywine Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 The Sex Pistols bodes well for the Raspberries, at least indirectly. Because it demonstrates again that INFLUENCE can be as important as number of hits , number of LPs etc. The Clash were an amazing rock band and they could also write very melodic pop stuff at times. They had humor, social commentary, and could rock. Objectively, I can understand though that some people were not big fans of Joe Strummers singing voice. Looks like Marvin wants to induct the Clash twice into the RRHOF, which shows their strong popularity. Joe Strummer's " Earthquake Weather" (1983)was his first solo lp. and had some great songs on it. There are so many great rock bands and it is apples to oranges in so many cases. The first Alice Cooper band was a tremendous group. Michael Bruce was a great song writer and, today, hardly anyone remembers his name. A very interesting record was "Easy Action" which was released prior to the album with I'm Eighteen on it in 1970. There are a couple wonderful songs, from a songwriters standpoint on "Easy Action." "Beautiful Flyaway" and "Shoesalesman" are definitely recommended listening. "Shoesalesman" could have been performed by The Raspberries. This Alice Cooper band, and not just Alice, deserves the HOF in my opinion. I think Alice went downhill fast when he dumped that great group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Nivan Posted December 2, 2005 Share Posted December 2, 2005 Did anybody ever hear that Chris Spedding played guitar on "Never Mind ..." or is that a mess of bullocks?In any case, I was out of breath after my first listen to side one of "Never Mind the Bullocks ..." "No Feelings" still a fave.Quizically,"K" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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