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The Doors, Grateful Dead, Joan Baez To Receive Lifetime Achievement Award Feb. 11th


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"Hmmm, I guess I didnt realize poetry, drugs and power pop were mutually exclusive."

R-Wine - They shouldn't be, but it certainly seems that way to an extent on this board (e.g., recent negative comments about Patti Smith), at least to me......Also, agree about very little middle ground regarding Jimbo M.

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Wow, really surprised by the Doors bashing. This was a band that could be extremely experimental and provacative and still wrote killer pop music when they desired. ( Hello I Love You...

Actually, the main riff to "Hello I Love You" was a direct steal from The Kinks' "All Day and All of the Night." I'm surprised they didn't sue.
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"Hmmm, I guess I didnt realize poetry, drugs and power pop were mutually exclusive."

R-Wine - They shouldn't be, but it certainly seems that way to an extent on this board (e.g., recent negative comments about Patti Smith), at least to me......Also, agree about very little middle ground regarding Jimbo M.

Well I don't like Patti Smith and much of the Doors, but I'm not against "poetry" .... or it mixing with power pop or whatever.... I just don't like THEIR poetry.
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I hear you but its important to note that there were bands in that time period considered quite "heavy", and still are today, that didnt attempt to put themselves exclusively above pop-writing and writing singles. I think they still recognized both the artistic and financial merits of doing so and thats interesting to me because I think that was lost eventually. The Doors, The Jefferson Airplane, Hendrix, Alice Cooper, for all their "out there" reputations could write fine melodic pop songs when they wanted. They had the talent to do so.

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In spite of this less than scientific 'sampling' ... I'm afraid that the PEOPLE have already spoken...at length. The Doors have a huge appeal and fan base. That I only appreciate about 1/2 of it would make me an outsider if I ever decided to visit a Doors related website...but...

Their body of work, record/cd sales, recognition by the various echelons of the music-related 'entourage' and the fact that they still get played on air...and by generations...suggests that what we think doesn't impact on their legacy one iota. [whether Morrison dropped his trousers or not]

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In spite of this less than scientific 'sampling' ... I'm afraid that the PEOPLE have already spoken...at length. The Doors have a huge appeal and fan base. That I only appreciate about 1/2 of it would make me an outsider if I ever decided to visit a Doors related website...but...

Their body of work, record/cd sales, recognition by the various echelons of the music-related 'entourage' and the fact that they still get played on air...and by generations...suggests that what we think doesn't impact on their legacy one iota. [whether Morrison dropped his trousers or not]

It also doesn't mean that a lot of folks can't think that a great portion of The Doors' recorded work was pretentious, overly dramatic and just plain ridiculous.

"Jim Morrison was a drunken buffoon posing as a poet." - Lester Bangs

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Agreed. In fact...likely the sizable majority. I think I recall reading that the MOST popular artists of all time would be hard pressed to actually appeal to 50% of the total available audience. And that would be during the height of their popularity.

For me, The Doors are one of those acts that just has not aged well. They were definitely "of a time." Some of their singles are OK, but once Morrison starts in with his wretched "Father, I want to kill you...mother I want to %(*&%#" - well, that's where I get off the bus.
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popdude...when that 'stuff' hits the fan...run. But you'll have to be wearing some top of the line running shoes if ya wanna keep up with me.

I NEVER liked that aspect to the group's output. Not in the 60s...and not now.

At any rate...they also have other material that has stood the test of time...for me. [including plenty of album tracks...not just the hits]

Can't say that about the Dead...and I especially can't say that about Joan Baez...who's voice always bugged me entirely.

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During my last trip to LA, I took the "Dearly Departed Tour" of the city (highly recommended), and one of the sights we saw was a hotel on Sunset Blvd where Jim M. was arrested for hanging off the balcony about 8 stories up, duriing the Doors' heyday. As big as they were, I'm surprised it's taken them this long to get a star....

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  • 2 weeks later...

The Doors will have a larger exhibit in the RRHF starting Memorial Day weekend. There are supposed to be some events planned in conjunction with the opening since it is the 40th anniversary of Light My Fire. John Densmore stated he would be willing to possibly reunite with his former bandmates if they replace Ian Astbury with Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam fame. FYI-Danny Sugerman died in Jan of 2005. He also wrote the book "Wonderland Avenue".

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Thanks, Jackie. I'm really surprised that some of the bands are coming back. And, I'm glad for one reason -To get some competition going. Some of the new groups are cool, but those people from years past are way cooler. There are some things missing in music, like better performances, and playing better. Look at some of the famous people who worked so hard to get their fame- Van Halen, The Raspberries' Billy Joel, Paul McCartney; All the Country artists from the past. Alot of people want to play again. I can't thank them enough for staying true to their call in life, again. Whether it be writing, performing, or doing a biographical music/play, like Billy Joel and Frankie Valli who had singers act and perform his songs in a play in San Diego, California.

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"Better performances/better playing"...maybe. Better songs MOST definitely and assuredly.

There are very few newer 'writers', BEING HEARD today, who can hold a melted droplet from a former candle to the song writers of 30 - 40 - 50 years

ago. So few you might be able to count 'em on your fingers and not use up both hands.

What did Bob Seger say about "today's music" in 'Old Time Rock 'n' Roll'. AND that was THEN...let alone now.

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