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Interesting ..... my band buddy is currently in a fight with Hillary Duff over a tune he wrote 9 years ago. She did a tune in the past two years with the exact same title and VERY similar chorus. So far he's spent almost $10,000 fighting it with no resolve yet. Ahhh .. the music business, such a wonderful thing.

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I bought an Avril cd a few years ago...for my daughter. A.L's OK...from my 55 year old perspective which means diddly. She's done well with Girlfriend. So she ripped part of it off. Crap happens. Could be an unknowing thing that just kind of happened.

Before we chastise her...let's remember that Led Zeppelin has settled how many out of court pagerism battles? It's over 20 and counting isn't it?

Anyone remember My Sweet Lord/He's So Fine?

Crap happens.

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I don't know Avril's song that well, but I can't believe that she'd know who the Rubinoos are. If she did copy "I Want to Be Your Boyfriend", I'd have to believe that it was unintentional.

Even in Eric's music you'll find bits and pieces of other songs. Eric every time I listen to "I Don't Know What I Want", I wonder how that one got past the Who.

Marv

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Hollies65 I know the Rubinoos song very well.

I just listened to Avril's song, and there is a slight similarity in melody in Avril's "I want to be your girlfriend" line and the Rubinoos' line "I want to be your boyfriend." The rest of the songs are not alike at all, in my opinion.

Marv

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Avril works with lots of older power pop fans, so I'd bet that she's heard the song somewhere (I'm sure Butch Walker has some Rubes on his iPod). Along with the boyfriend/girlfriend thing, it's more about the repeated Hey (hey) You (you) part in my mind. Here's another way of looking at it: Avril's song hit #1 on the charts, so it's VERY familiar to anyone buying music today. If another artist were to do a cover of the Rubinoos tune now, would a record company exec say,"That ain't gonna fly, it's too close to Avril's song." If so, then IMHO Tommy Dunbar will see some cash on this one.

Bernie

PS: The Rubinoos NEVER had this much press in their prime. Hey, worldwide attention, new box set…how 'bout a tour, Al?!?

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This kind of thing happens all the time...it's just a matter of whether the original artist has the $$$, time and energy to pursue going after who's copied them. Led Zeppelin made a career of swiping others' lyrics and tunes, yet have only been sued and lost maybe once (or twice). I see this is only being positive for the Rubinoos.

I just reviewed The Len Price 3's second album, Rentacrowd, and mentioned that at least three songs appear to have "borrowed" heavily from others (one song's verses sound just like The Who's "Substitute", another's sound just like The Easybeats' "Sorry", and yet another swipes half of its ideas from The Kinks' "I Need You", and the other half from "You ReallY Got Me.") Great, great album, BTW, in spite of the borrowings!

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BTW Go listen to Radiohead's 'Creep' and The Hollies 'The Air That I Breath' posted by hollies65

wow .... I must be brain dead. I'm very familar with "The Air That I Breath", and our band plays "Creep". I'm not catching a similarity at all. insane

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"John...Led Zep only lost a couple of times because they settled out of court almost dozens of times."

Also because they borrowed tunes/lyrics from deceased artists more than a few times (I could be wrong, but I don't believe Robert Johnson's estate, assuming there is one, ever went after them....and Willie Dixon lived long enough to just sue them once. I'd also bet money that Plant thought that Moby Grape's Bob Mosley was still living in a cardboard box under a freeway in Santa Cruz when he morphed "Never" into "Since I've Been Loving You."....He got a surprise with that one!...which may have also been settled out of court, as Mose needed money.)

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Google "similarities ,Creep Air that I Breath"....84K matches.

Be that as it may, if I play the guitar & sing "creep", I don't get the "feeling" that I'm actually doing "the air that I breathe". The musical part of my brain finds "the air that I breathe" boring, where as I find "creep" interesting. Of course this is just my opinion, but still, they sound like two totally different songs to me.
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Sorry ... just don't hear it .... I hear it as a similar vague "feel" to the 2, but, the chords are different ... more power to Dunbar - maybe his last chance to get the cash out of the music biz - look, "My Sweet Lord" and "He's So Fine" have the same "feel," and nothing hap..... OK, bad example spinspin

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Music does not exist in a vacuum.

Music thrives with cross-pollination.

I wonder how many of ALL of our favorite songs had another "source song" that it grew out of... I mean where does it end? How much of a song has to sound like something else for it to be a ripoff?

The idea of "Intellectual property" is actually a fairly recent one. Once Lawyers got involved with popular music and there was serious money to be made. This isn't necessarily an "improvement" for the way music is made. I can't think of one single artist I love that hasn't at one point in time said something to the effect of "I wrote my song being inspired by song "X"

It's just the reality of the matter. In fact I just ran across a 60's band who have a song that was more than a little similar to a Raspberries track.... didn't diminish my appreciation of either song one bit. THAT'S the history of music, people. Songs inspire other songs.

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