Jerry Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 I thought this might be of interest to some members of the forum-The music industry has been buzzing since late April, when legendary star-maker and RCA/Arista/J Records label chief Clive Davis appeared at a company conference and complained that Clarkson, the 25-year-old Texas singer who rose to fame by winning the first season of "American Idol," was protesting that after two multi-platinum albums and hits-for-hire such as "Since U Been Gone," she no longer needed the svengali's help and insisted on recording the tunes she wrote with her band.The 72-year-old Davis has been lauded for fostering the careers of artists such as Janis Joplin, Carlos Santana, Bruce Springsteen and Whitney Houston, among many others. But he's also the man who inflicted Barry Manilow on the world, and he's notorious for playing hardball with any artist who doesn't take his suggestions. Some have even claimed he sabotaged their new releases when they balked at his meddling.If interested, here is the whole article- http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/derogatis/441773,CST-FTR-kelly25.article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raspathens Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Kelly is about to learn one of life's lessons : Don't mess with the boss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seattlesteve Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 Like to revist Clive's marketing strategy for Boats or Hurts. The guy is accomplished, and he's good, but boy there are two he sure dropped the ball on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Allen Posted June 25, 2007 Share Posted June 25, 2007 He always has looked like he just smelled a fresh pile of cat poop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Bob always smells things that the rest of us seem to miss. He must have a "radiation-exposure-from-a-U.S.-military-nuclear-test-defective Schnoz".And the only one who benefits from the affliction is Bea Arthur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raspathens Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 There is an old saying : If you are going to kill the King, you had better kill the King. http://www.nypost.com/seven/07122007/gossip/pagesix/clarkson_blasts_label_liars_pagesix_.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Early Wynn Posted July 12, 2007 Share Posted July 12, 2007 Her album's number 3, after opening at #2 last week. Miley Cyrus, my 9 year old's favorite, was number 1 last week and is now #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostControl Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 I'd be scared to death to cross Clive. As he did with Eric, if he's not happy with you, he can take the best album and, allow it (and your career) to tank. I don't think Kelly's going to get the kind of promotion she likely would have gotten if she had 'behaved' and made Clive happy.[rant]The more I've been reading about Eric, the more frustrated I am with the music business. You write the songs, arrange them, sing them, play the instruments, etc.... It's YOUR NAME that's on the cover of the album. If you tank, everyone says it's YOU. But, it looks like the 'star' of the album gets very little say in the final product. Eric says he never got any say in the album covers (except Boats), and there are many times he's not gotten what he wanted in terms of what songs were released, etc... Why to hell can't the studios let the artists have a bit of control over something that's got their blasted name on the cover??!! When I sign my name at work, it's my ass that's on the line....it should be the same for artists like Eric. [/rant] I can't believe Eric put up with it as well as he did.I guess I would have been like Kelly - standing up for what I believe in, despite what it will do to my career. You have to admit - to turn down millions of $$$ and say 'no' to Clive - that's pretty brazen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor4Life Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 I was a bit surprised when Eric signed with Arisat once again for "Hungry Eyes". The situation seemed OK, even after "Make Me Lose Control" was a hit. But did Davis start asserting his authority once again by "forcing" Eric to record "Reason to Live" and "My Heart Stops"? (which I like). I kinda doubt Eric would let himself be tricked into another episode like that again. I kinda imagine it went down like this: "Eric, you've had two big hits, now this is what I think you SHOULD do now..."Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Mississippi Posted July 14, 2007 Share Posted July 14, 2007 Even "Make Me Lose Control" might have been "tinkered with"... I know it was originally written as "Long Live Rock & Roll" or something like that... was it Clive who orchestrated changes or was it Eric/Dean who decided on the update on the lyrics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kv Posted July 15, 2007 Share Posted July 15, 2007 Having been signed and 'unsigned' by at last count FIVE major labels, I have a bit of insight on this topic. The Candy album cover was dreadful. We hated it, fought it, and lost. We voted on the single being "Weekend Boy", my pop ears told me that was the best breakout hit. They had focus groups, (no lie--paid focus groups with headphones on!) report back that agreed. Yet they went with 'Fun'. Made no diff because the label signed us mainly because KISS was up for renegotiation and we shared management..(that's a whole book in itself); as soon as the album was done and KISS was resigned, our A&R guy was canned, as was the album.On Hollywood we all agreed that 'Wake Me Up' was the best single choice to break the album. It did pretty well. When it came time for a followup, my soon to be x-manager and I pushed hard for "Arianne"; the label wanted "Wasn't Supposed To Happen", (which was 'Wake' sideways), because Fall was coming and all the big stars were coming with ballads, so radio would be in need of an uptempo song. In retrospect, I wish we had gone along with them on that one. We won the battle and lost the war. Since the label was ho-hum on that single, they barely worked it and it pooped.Don't even get me started on the photo and video shoots--all nightmares where I disagreed with just about everything. I remember thinking to mysel while sitting in the editing bay, "I'm sorry, Mr. Video editing guy, did YOU write this song? Are we trying to convey MY song or YOUR vision of my song?" Problem is, if you shut up and tow the company line, you'll never get what you want, yet if you don't play along, you'll be toast--also not getting what you want.Bottom line: Invest the advances wiselykv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostControl Posted July 17, 2007 Share Posted July 17, 2007 Tell her to take up Entertainment Lawyer as a career. That way if anyone tries to screw her over with her contracts, royalties, etc... she has the education to bring them to their knees. That's a huge problem - you have young kids who just want to make music - they'll do anything they're told to get their album made and distributed. The execs know they have the musicians do anything they want. It's only when you actually have 'made it' as a performer that you can try to assert yourself.Still, even then it isn't always possible to have some control. Kelly Clarkson has sold over 15 million albums, and Clive is still making her life miserable because she didn't do exactly what he told her to. The music business sounds like a pretty scary world. At least now there's the Internet. You can always release your stuff to the world without having to be signed to a label. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Nathan Posted July 18, 2007 Share Posted July 18, 2007 kv-I just realized that was you.Hey, old friend.Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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