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You are absolutely right,Eric! Cleveland was "our" England! It seems back then, that everyone was closer and we all knew of who played in what band, who ran what club, even who all the promoters were. Late 60's, Cleveland, there were only a handful of great bands around. It seems at that time, everytime I saw Cyrus Erie, Eric,Mike,Wally,etc. was sporting something new that they had just seen from England,whether it be clothes, instruments,songs. Who ever would have EVER heard "Rollin Over" by The Small Faces had The Cyrus Erie not played it? You guys were our pipeline to "coolness" and the outside Pop world.Communications back then was 3 TV networks and a couple radio stations...What we observed when we saw the likes of The Cyrus Erie,or Raspberries, was our portal to the outside Pop culture. A great time to watch careers blossom!!

Would The Beatles have been so successful had George Martin not been there...I sadly doubt it.

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I'm adding to this thread late, but I think I can explain to raspathens what Eric meant. (Eric, if I'm wrong, go ahead and correct me--you know what you meant far better than I do.)

I think what Eric meant is that listening to the Beatles Anthology tapes made him realize that the genius of the Beatles' songs was not all 100 percent the Beatles. That George Martin had such an ear for what was "right" that he could listen to something they had written that wasn't quite "right" and tell them how to tweak it in just such a way that would put it over the top.

The repetition of the line "I saw the light" in "No Reply" is such an occasion. John had written the song with the line "I saw the light" only one time and then on to the next line. It wasn't until after he got it into the studio that someone must have told him "You know, this song would be better if you repeated that line 'I saw the light' before going into the next one?" And chances are, it was George Martin. And he was right. Repeating "I saw the light," complete with the crashing guitar sound, really gives the line a chance to sink in, and gives a stronger feeling that hey, this guy is MAD!

When I think of that, it reminds me of the skating choreographer Christopher Dean, who likes to choreograph so that a skater or couple perform a given move two or three times in a row. It has a way of making that move stand out. Once, you might miss it, but see it two or three times and there's a rhythmic symmetry to it. That's how the line "I saw the light" (and its counterpart "No reply!" at the very end of the song) functions: on its own, it doesn't sink in as well as it does if you sing and play "I saw the light! (crunchy angry guitar!) I saw the light!" (crunchy angry guitar)

Someone just instinctively understood this. But the song didn't start that way. Someone must have told John to change it because it would work better.

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For me I think your music takes me back to very memorable time in my like. I saw you the first time at Channel High School then after that at Chesterland Hullabaloo. I had a lot of good friends and times back then. Would go and sit and talk to Don Parsons then when you guys went on go out and watch the show and dance. I had a lot of frends up there and we would go all over Cleveland together to see you and other favorites.

Your music reminds me or what I was doing and who I was with when I heard it the first time.

Great Music, Great Band, Great Friends, Great Memories. What more could anyone want.

Dale

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all great music takes one back to a memorable time..music is the international language..it exceeds race,religion,and brings back emotions that might have been lost in our journey called life..its a great thing,and not many people/bands can do that anymore..but the beries and eric can still do that to us..thus the beautty of this website..rock on people!! lol,chris

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Eric, the reason that you and the raspberries have a strong meaning for many people and myself in particular, is that over the years, a certain song or group brings you right back to that moment, as if captured in time. I got into the raspberries in my mid teens and you guys have been there ever since. Through breaking up with girlfriends to meeting that special someone who i married, your music was there. What else can be said. Though I think that the beatles wrote the greatest of songs, i place you right amongst them for the sheer impact that you brought to me and continue to do so with those eternal songs you wrote. We never met or talked but you have spoken to me for over 25 years. Thank You. I'd like to shake your hand sir, and state "JOB WELL DONE"

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Eric,

Even though I was born in 1970, I got hooked on your solo recordings when I was 17 and have enjoyed them ever since. I have a few of the Raspberries songs on the Definitive Collection and I think so far my favorite is "Hit Record". But I know that there are many more to listen to and enjoy. I still have the cassette tape of the Greatest Hits that I purchased in 1988(yes, it still works) and listen to it constantly at work along with a couple of other albums that I copied onto tapes. Great Stuff! I never get bored listening to them over and over.

Thank you for everything.

HT from Mo

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I noticed PlainJane's question in the Shout Box about whether it's okay to comment on older threads. Absolutely — and it's recommended. I'll occasionally dig through back threads for memorable comments and exchanges, and a few others do it too. It's sort of like re-reading a favorite book or magazine. This particular thread is a good example. So... newer members might want to click through to page 1, sit back, and enjoy the nostalgia blitz.

Plus, there are lots of EC.com friends past and present on this thread, which in itself can provide a mini-nostalgia-blitz for longtime members.

(One thing that struck me is that I never actually responded to Eric's question, so I'll have to get it done, but it'll have to wait until later this week. Heck, after six-plus years, what's a few more days?)
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One of the reasons for keeping EVERY post up on this board is the treasure-trove of information that exists in it—both from knowledgable fans as well as from Eric himself. It's fun to see an old thread dug up and dusted off!

Without any new recordings, concerts or posts from the Boss, things have been quite around here for a while. But that's the nature of the beast. I'm a fan for life and that means I'm here to stay—as is EricCarmen.com—regardless of whether things are jumping or snoozing.

Bernie

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Crazy...I never saw this thread...good stuff in here...to answer the original question by Eric...

Melody, melody, melody....later as my musicianship improved, I was thrown by the progressions and arrangements. Eric makes twists and turns that are unexpected, yet deliciously addictive to the ear and soul. Lyrically there are may other artists that have "blown me away" much more than any EC or Berries compositions, BUT the combination of lyrics webbed with melody is beautifully done in most of EC/Berries stuff.

As a musician, there is always something to discover in each and every recording. I still think that Eric's music would be most effective stripped down to simple productions. Eric has one of the greatest rock and roll voices out there...every note has a meaning and it stabs you if you are prepared to listen with your heart.

I am also very fond of Wally'S playing. He reminds me of Townsend, playing guitar like it was a piano...using inversions and phrasing that is very un-guitar-like. Listen to Dave's bass lines too, they are heavily McCartney influenced, but sweet indeed...

I only wish that the recording were cleaner and less distorted....of course if I were to hear them with a different mix, or recorded properly at the source, I may not like it!

Either way, I never get tired of most of the material.

A

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I read this whole thread posted 2 years before I even joined this group. It was GREAT!

Gee. How would I answer this considering I didn't become a fan until I walked out of a 'Berries concert where my goal was only to do 2 things, one being to finally hear "Let's Pretend" live.

OH!

The music has a great beat...and you can dance to it. I know. Because I can pop on my CD or log into Youtube, pick a song and dance to it in my bedroom, or family room, or kitchen when I am baking.

I do it all the time. If you've not done it, I highly recommend that you give it a whirl. It will make you smile, and tingle in places that only tingle when you are really having fun! :)

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On ‎11‎/‎29‎/‎2012 at 1:26 AM, Raspbernie said:

One of the reasons for keeping EVERY post up on this board is the treasure-trove of information that exists in it—both from knowledgable fans as well as from Eric himself. It's fun to see an old thread dug up and dusted off!

Without any new recordings, concerts or posts from the Boss, things have been quite around here for a while. But that's the nature of the beast. I'm a fan for life and that means I'm here to stay—as is EricCarmen.com—regardless of whether things are jumping or snoozing.

Bernie

It has been a few years since I read (re-read) this thread...still brings back all the emotion and laughs...oh, and Bernie- I may have to reminder you of this quote the next time you're thinking about shutting down the message board;)

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Bump—a happy thread worth an encore, with Eric responding multiple times—starting with an answer to Annie's great question. The responses reveal all kinds of interesting bits about how various fans discovered Raspberries — we all seem to have a story about that.

Eric checks in throughout the thread, and some of the posts get comical. Like—I think this is the first time "All Through the Night" comes up. I didn't chime in on that, but... I've always been surprised that fans of the band were taken aback by those lyrics. I didn't think they were all that horrible. Even Eric disowned them. But... I ask you:: Do they go anywhere that "Go All the Way," "I Wanna Be with You," "Tonight," "Ecstacy," "Money Down," "On the Beach," and "Hands on You" didn't go?

Anyway, for newer members, you might get a kick out of all of this....

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7 hours ago, LC said:

Like—I think this is the first time "All Through the Night" comes up. I didn't chime in on that, but... I've always been surprised that fans of the band were taken aback by those lyrics. I didn't think they were all that horrible. Even Eric disowned them. But... I ask you:: Do they go anywhere that "Go All the Way," "I Wanna Be with You," "Tonight," "Ecstasy," "Money Down," "On the Beach," and "Hands on You" didn't go?

Well, they're amusing and in a similar vein to the words in "Money Down" and "Hands," and for that matter "Makin' It Easy." But the other songs seem to depict more emotional earthy scenarios, as opposed to blatant one night stands. Even the oft-maligned "close your eyes & be still" line can be interpreted as mystical and loving, if you subscribe to the fan theory posited in another thread that it's a quote from the Beach Boys' "Don't Talk (Put Your Head on My Shoulder)."

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"All thru the night", while I agree it might not be as bad as many say, it´s still raunchy, and "Tonight", "Ecstacy", "On the beach", "Go all the way"... don´t compare in the least.  Those 4 celebrate physical love in a postive way, natural way, excited way...none of them tell the girl to "hitich hike home in the morning". All thru...   isn´t an immoral song, imho, but the lyrics aren´t classy, at all, and unnessecary.

But the music is rocking!!!!....but even as a kid I had to go down into 2nd gear when listening to it instead of allowing myself to go all out in rocking out to the song, because of the lyrics. 

If they´d written different lyrics the song would have been played live at every show, and been likely one of the highlights of a Raspberry concert.

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20 hours ago, James said:

"All thru the night", while I agree it might not be as bad as many say, it´s still raunchy, and "Tonight", "Ecstacy", "On the beach", "Go all the way"... don´t compare in the least.  Those 4 celebrate physical love in a postive way, natural way, excited way...none of them tell the girl to "hitich hike home in the morning". All thru...   isn´t an immoral song, imho, but the lyrics aren´t classy, at all, and unnessecary.

But the music is rocking!!!!....but even as a kid I had to go down into 2nd gear when listening to it instead of allowing myself to go all out in rocking out to the song, because of the lyrics. 

If they´d written different lyrics the song would have been played live at every show, and been likely one of the highlights of a Raspberry concert.

 

James, we agree on so much, and I've gotta say: I will agree with you that these lyrics are on the raunchy side of things, that they were not classy, and that they were ultimately unnecessary. Less offensive lyrics to go with that killer melody, crunchy guitars, pounding piano, and Chuck Berry feel may have brought the song more attention. Fair enough.

But here's my point of departure: From the first time I heard it (it would have been in college), I always took it as rock'n'roll humor. It's gotta make you smile. And this is coming from a pro-lyrics guy: I don't think it was meant to be taken seriously. The lyrics  are a lark, a bit of buffoonery—not advice for "how to pick up girls," right? I mean: "Hey there sugar, let me buy you a drink / Don't you tell me your last name / I won't recognize you after tonight / Because you just won't look the same." What girl would possibly fall for that? What guy would be stupid enough to try it? Thinking back to those late-teen, early-20s days, I know you or I wouldn't have used that as a pickup line. It's just a fun rock'n'roll fantasy song.... I look at the Rolling Stones' great Some Girls album in the same light.

Let me just ask this one question: Would you feel the same about "All Through the Night" if you heard, say, Susanna Hoffs singing it? 

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19 hours ago, LC said:

Anyway, for newer members, you might get a kick out of all of this....

Much thanks, Larry, for bumping this one back out of this site's huge archives! ❤️ I'll be reading the posts more in depth later on after I get done with my "day job" music publishing / services tasks! 👍

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Hi LC, in my maybe raunchier world back in the day, the song isn't far from reality, just exaggerated a bit like most all art is. 

More importantly, in the rock & roll world of the 70s, this song is biographical for so many rockers,, and actually tame in comparison to many of these bands' lives on the road. 

So no, given the reality of the times within which the song was written,  the song was no farce.

To me.

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No female posters this time around?? Ok I'll bite ..as I wasn't on the site yet the last couple of times this thread opened up. I will admit I'm a very conservative farm girl brought up in a strict Catholic Family. When you read the words out of context  without the music, yeah they look pretty bad. But in the context of the music and the times in which this song was released, nothing different than anything else that was going on then.  My girlfriends and I would get together and have little dance parties in the seventies and this was one of the songs. I truly believe we didn't even know what the words were lol. That's a shout out to Lew. 😉 I tend to agree with LC and James here. I would have more of a problem with Tonight Your Mine album cover than anything in this song. Of course, Eric explains that he wasn't responsible for the lyrics in this song. Anyway,  just one  female point of view here.

Rhonda B.

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