raspberrywine Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Is George Szell still around? Can he play lead guitar? Just kidding, Wallys the greatest! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldblue Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 At the risk of sounding like an unabashed suck-up, Eric's last post in this thread is one of the best descriptions I've ever read of the demands and rewards of striving toward excellence. One of the great fallacies of life is in the phrase "Practice makes perfect." Rather, it should be "Practice of perfection builds perfection."Thanks again for reminding me why I check in here regularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Davie Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Thank you, Mr. Carmen. You inspire me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cozmik Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Eric Carmen said: Listen to the record of "I'm A Rocker" and then listen to the "Live performance" when it's released, and you'll see what I mean. Oh, I suppose we could just play what's was on the record, but I think it rocks BETTER than the record now. I really admired all of what Eric wrote there but these two sentences are killing me. I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR THIS!!! You know this may seem counter to what Eric was saying about striving for perfection, but one of my favorite moments of the shows I saw was in Cleveland when Eric was having technical problems with his guitar duirng "I'm A Rocker" and shed the guitar and turned into a lead singer handling the mike stand like one of the greats. It was a moment that could have been a disaster but he spontaneously turned into something great (and probably didn't even realize it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 I thought I heard that conductor Szell's name before. I think it was from Snoop Dog. Then I looked in the dictionary: Szellin': A strange but focused behavior or show of dominance, usually exhibited by talented compassionate perfectionist control-freaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnneG Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 George Szell was amazing - he truly developed the Cleveland Orchestra sound (and I believe Ormandy did the same with the Philadelphia Orchestra, to a lesser extent). I agree with Eric's assessment of the role of a conductor, although I think Horowitz might disagree!!! (Horowitz famously did not go along with Toscanini's vision of Tchaikovsky one night...).Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 "...Word up, Snoop Dog, singin' yo yo yo,Just sittin' here Szellin' with my favorite ho." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Bravo, Eric, Bravo! As someone who worshipped (and still do today) the "living" sound of The Cleveland Orchestra, especially the sound of strings so vibrant you wanted to jump into the record and play in the section with them, I know exactly what you're talking about. After seeing from such a young age that kind of perfection as a standard to strive for, how could anyone go back to wanting to produce something else? I met George Szell when he brought the orchestra to New York and asked him for an autograph, after telling him how monumentally great his performance was. He scribbed on my autograph book and screamed, "There it is, now get the hell out of here!" Although I was terrified of him, I realized I had met someone so driven and artistically perfect that he had no time for petty autographs. During a conflict Szell once had with opera conductor, Rudolf Bing, a mutual friend tried to smooth down Bing's complaints about Szell by saying, "Well, you know George is his own worst enemy." Bing replied, "Not while *I'm* alive!" Like my first violin teacher, Szell was even harder on himself than he was on others, but what masters both men have been--absolute monuments to music. I agree that such vision is necessary for any performer to rise to that place of creation that is magical. What happens in that place is spontaneous and necessarily different every time and only improves through that evolution. Another master, composer Arnold Schoenberg, shares your view. --Darlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Mississippi Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 There is no doubt that someone has to be in charge. Regardless I think if it's a musical group or any form of creative venture. Movies have directors, writers have editors; bands need to have one person who has the final say. If Raspberries is to self-produce, they still have to be able to choose one person to be the tie breaking decision maker. I read it somewhere, and it still rings true: ANYTHING WITH TWO HEADS IS A FREAK... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Carmen Posted April 12, 2006 Author Share Posted April 12, 2006 We're not going to self-produce. The L.A. HOB show was recorded by Mark Linnet. Google him. ec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspbernie Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 That should make everyone "smile." Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IluvEric Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Brian Wilson, Wondermints and The Beach Boys to name only a few!! He is a perfectionist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Marvin gave me the inside scoop weeks ago...Oooops, I've outed another agent!"Cheney made me do it!"Scooter Cartmill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Since we had the LA intro DVD malfunction, Did Mark find a way for a seamless "re-creation" of the Bernie's classic video opening? It's got to be in there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Carmen Posted April 12, 2006 Author Share Posted April 12, 2006 There may be licensing issues with Bernie's montage because there were bits and pieces from various television broadcasts. They may not grant us the right to use them. We'll have to look into it. ec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stringer Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Can't wait to see and hear the end product. Very exciting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggsherby Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 ...geez and how many times in the past was I critized when I referred to the band as Eric Carmen and the Raspberries!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggsherby Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 WOW...as always, I read posts from EC.com and then drop on over to Raspberries.net to check the buzz over there...to my surprise, they have edited and deleted most of the stuff that went on in the thread that started all the trouble.I agree that we need to move on and let the chips fall where they may but if you're not going to delete the whole damn thing you have leave what was posted in place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raspberrywine Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Yeah I love how she talks about " healing" and then goes onto describe more business confidential info. Give it a rest lady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 I need to clarify a couple of my posts. I meant to say "Schoenberg *shared* your view," not *shares," as he passed away in the early 1950s. I believe I also quoted him from a work put out in 1975, after his death (Style and Idea), and didn't mean to leave the impression that he was still around in 1975. George Szell, sadly, passed away when I was about 23, or approximately 7 years after I met him back in 1963. Sorry for the mistakes. I'll try not to type ahead of my mind. --Darlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Or maybe she's reflected on what she wrote, had a "change of heart" and wants to eliminate hurtful comments, but wanted to present a reason. I think it's a conciliatory olive branch, and I admire that. Think lemonade. --Darlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raspberrywine Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 "I'm Sorry" also a wonderful olive branch. More people should try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 If I have a nice snappy olive branch in hand...I'm gonna whack somebody with it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pierson Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Eric Carmen said: There may be licensing issues with Bernie's montage because there were bits and pieces from various television broadcasts. They may not grant us the right to use them. We'll have to look into it. ec This is a point in the history of pop and rock & roll where I wish such things would become "public domain" or at least be of free use to the artist... you know, unless you were Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd or The Beatles (something of insane monumental impact) it should be given a certain amount of grace/leniency out of respect to the band's legacy... especially since this is ONLY a part of a montage (i.e. It's NOT as if you are selling the fans the complete Don Kirschner episodes) god knows, at this point you're definitely not "in it for the money." I know that still sounds funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Bernie, Eric, just tell them you are illegal immigrants, add the video, put all that legal stuff aside. If they try to sue you, we can all just call them racists...Then Ted Kennedy and Jessie Jackson will get the lawsuit thown out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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