John P Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Mr Carmen, If you have any time, I'd appreciate it if you could please share of your experience of what it was like working with these 2 brilliant guitarists. Any interesting stories? John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Laurence Juber is a guitarist who doesn't receive enough acclaim. Talented and innovative.Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Carmen Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 I really enjoyed working with Davey, both in the studio and on the road. We had a ball in Japan together. As a matter of fact, Davey was my main "partner in crime" during our two visits to Japan. We would go out every night and hit all the cool clubs. I think I was the only one who could keep up with him. He was a madman! Very underrated guitarist, but, when you're not all about flash and solos, that tends to happen. The Eddy Van Halens get all the fame, but Davey is fantastic in an understated way. I don't recall ever working with Laurence Juber. Who is he? ec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Laurence was the guitarist in Wings on "Back to the Egg." He's played on many other artists' music, has won 2 Grammy Awards, and apparently played on the "Dirty Dancing" soundtrack. Maybe that's the Eric connection. Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackhawkpat Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Juber has released an acoustic classical guitar record playing Wings (and I believe Beatles) tunes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John P Posted May 25, 2007 Author Share Posted May 25, 2007 Laurence Juber played on the "Dirty Dancing" soundtrack but wasn't credited on the album and he also played acoustic guitar on "Make me lose control" John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 John P said: Laurence Juber played acoustic guitar on "Make me lose control" John Huh? Eric would know this, wouldn't he? Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Mississippi Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 marvin said: Huh? Eric would know this, wouldn't he? Not necessarily. If the music was laid down prior to Eric's vocal track; not uncommon, kind of Eric doing a "Karaoke" of his own song! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Carmen Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 "Make Me Lose Control" was a very strange recording session for me. I had brought back Jimmy Ienner to produce, and Jimmy always had a little "thing" about who was in control. When I got to the studio he had hired all the musicians (without asking me who I thought might be good for the song). As it turns out, he hired Lee Sklar, a terrific bassist I'd worked with before so that was just fine. The drummer was someone named Paul Grien(?) who I'd never heard of, and Jimmy decided he wanted me to sing the song in a vocal booth during the session, so he hired someone else to play piano. I thought that was very odd since I'd always played piano on all my records and, as the writer, I have a certain "feel" for the song. I was taken by surprise when I walked in and found out, but, for the sake of peace, I went along with it.I don't remember who played guitar but if you say it was Lawrence Juber, then maybe it was. I kind of dis-involved myself from the recording of the basic track because I sensed my input wasn't wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Carmen Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 When it came time to do the background vocals I pushed my way back into the session. I helped choose the vocalists (among them, Mark Hudson and Kip Lennon) and worked with them trying to get the sound and pronunciation I wanted. Jimmy was very upset and accused me of "usurping his session." There's a lot more to the story, but it wasn't the most fun I've ever had in a recording studio.It became a VERY expensive single (at least $60,000 as I recall, the kind of money you can never recoup). Thank God (and/ or Donnie Ienner) it went to number #3. At least I saw some publishing and airplay royalties. ec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Carmen Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 BTW, I think my original demo, (done with a Linn drum machine, me on piano and a bass player, and twelve Eric's singing all the bg parts) kicks it's butt. As usual. ec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Thanks for the info Eric. I'm very interested in your choice of Kip Lennon (from Venice), who I feel, along with his cousin Mark, are two of the finest singers out there. Not to mention Kipp is Jackson Browne's look-a-like.Marvp.s. Where can we hear the original demo with "12 Eric's."??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmichel Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Now that's a demo i'd love to hear!...the song the way you first envisioned it...I never get tired of your stories about making records...I just play 'em on the radio...always wondering what went into making the magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Carmen Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 It was recorded with the original title (Dean Pitchford and I had written it as "Long Live Rock 'n Roll") It was comprised of my music and Dean's lyric which was a nostalgic look back at an earlier time when the couple in the car fell in love with "Stand By Me" and doo-wop songs. My music was supposed to be a sort of cross between "Soul and Inspiration" by the Righteous Brothers with the Beach Boys singing background, and Phil Spector production values. That was the starting point. I've gotta admit, I sound as close to the Beach Boys on that demo as anyone evr did. I sang the Mike Love parts like Mike, the Carl Wilson parts like Carl, and even my flasetto kicked in magically for the really high Brian parts. I'll see if I can find a copy and get it to Bernie. Jimmy thought my vocals sounded "too authentic". He didn't want it to sound like the Beach Boys. That was the magic to me.Grrrr. Foiled again. ec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggiesjc Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Absolutely fascinating story, Eric. Sure hope we get to hear it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danmichel Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Too authentic!...That's crazy!...It's what most singers would love to be able to do...Be able to sound like the Beach Boys whenever they wanted...As good as that record was...As great as it all worked out in the end...I can't help but think some "too authentic" Beach Boys sounding vocals would have taken it to a much higher level...The only thing higher of course would be if Brian Wilson was there himself singing the parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Mississippi Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 It's too bad Eric, in a way, that you never got to tour with the Beach Boys... I mean, Let's Pretend was considered the best Beach Boys single that they didn't do, Cruisin' Music might be the best Beach Boys SONG that they didn't do... and with you channelling both Love and Wilson... Though I loved seeing you with Ringo, a tour with that other band would have been cool too... Of course all those take a back seat for my love of Raspberries. Nothing should ever stand in the way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Carmen Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 I did get to tour with them in the '70's with the Raspberries and again when I first went solo in '76. They were great live, and Dennis and Carl were alwyas so eager to help. I will never forget their kindness. ec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ira Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 I-of course never knew Carl Wilson...But Eric was he as angelic as his voice and manner always seemed to imply.In my mind's eye right now I can see and hear him singing..."I may not always love you, But long as there are stars above you..."-Whew!-Ira. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvin Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Eric what about Kip Lennon?Marv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAM Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Eric Carmen said: It was recorded with the original title (Dean Pitchford and I had written it as "Long Live Rock 'n Roll") ec Not sure how I got it, but I have a copy of that demo. I like it whole bunches more than the released version. All 12 Erics sound GREAT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 With the knowledge of the 12 Eric's implanted in my mind, I went back and listened to my copy of that demo, dated from 1987. Kick butt, indeed! I'm wondering if the song would have charted any differently if the original theme had been used? Kirk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggiesjc Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 How did you guys get this demo already? The rest of want to know! Or better yet, we want to hear it ourselves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Maybe if there are enough requests, Bernie will put it in the juke box Jen, I got mine before there was ec.com, before there was ebay, when the small circle of 'traders' in Raspberries and Eric Carmen rarities felt more like traders of rare antiquities. Indiana Jones had nothing on me when it came to sleuthing out rare demos and promo stuff Kirk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggiesjc Posted May 26, 2007 Share Posted May 26, 2007 Good job, Indiana Kirk! I have hopes of hearing this demo, too, if Bernie and Eric decide we should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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