marvin Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Kip Lennon, co-lead singer of Venice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Marvin, spreading the gospel of cool pop music...One more reason not to bomb Canada... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 I LOVE IT!!! I think it definitely captures the essence of the song more than the record that was released. It's absolute perfection! The vocals are just perfect--you were really "in the zone"! What in the hell was wrong with Jimmy? While the record that was released is exciting, I feel that this one is absolute gold. Thanks so much for sharing this gem! --Darlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Carmen Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Eric's Demo: Total cost including tracking, overdubs, vocals and mix/ $350.00 Total time in studio/ One day in Beachwood, OhioJimmy Ienner's Record: Total cost including tracking, overdubs, vocals and mix/ $65,000.00 Total time in studio/ Five days, tracking and overdubs, Three days, vocals/ Twenty days, mixing in L.A and Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elle4ec Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 LC said: It's times like this that I don't miss Cartoon World so much. I'll second that emotion, LC. I'll take "Eric CAR(men's)TOON WORLD" anytime Eric and Bernie so graciously bestow EC-lusive gems like this one upon us! "Long Live Rock And Roll"... and long live the music of Eric Carmen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drupelet Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Eric, you mean twenty days mixing the one song?!!$65, 000.00?!!!Yeeowtch!C'mon, really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 Eric Carmen said: Eric's Demo: Total cost including tracking, overdubs, vocals and mix/ $350.00 Total time in studio/ One day in Beachwood, Ohio Jimmy Ienner's Record: Total cost including tracking, overdubs, vocals and mix/ $65,000.00 Total time in studio/ Five days, tracking and overdubs, Three days, vocals/ Twenty days, mixing in L.A and Miami. Wow! That is... amazing. And kind of obscene -- especially when you consider that a session player was compensated to come in and take instructions from you on how to play the song on piano. I don't know how much that added to the cost, but even if it was $500, I would have saved it. After all, you do know something about playing piano.... (That's like hiring a session guy to come in a play bass on a Paul McCartney record.) Does the record company bear part of the expense, or does the artist foot the entire bill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Carmen Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 The artist pays the whole bill. Every red cent is recoupable against future royalties. Jimmy spent ten days at Cherokee Studios in L.A. mixing and didn't get it. So he went to Criteria in Miami for another ten. Thank goodness it was a hit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny S. Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Wow! Talk about "risky"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollies65 Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Just ask Badfinger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadfingerBarb Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 The Badfinger analogy isn't really appropriate. When the band was at Apple, Apple paid all the recording costs and paid them a very healthy royalty on top of that which is pretty unheard of. That was The Beatles' doing. When they signed with Warner Bros., it was a no royalty deal where they were paid a lump sum for each album delivered so the recording costs were not recouped through royalties. The two reunion albums with Joey and Tommy were the more traditional setup where the band is given an advance for living expenses while recoding and that advance and the recording costs are recouped against future royalties. This doesn't affect publishing and songwriting royalties. That's where the money is for most recording artists. Most artists will never see any regular royalties unless they are a mega star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDREA Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Eric Carmen said: For some reason, the night I sang those vocals I actually found the falsetto voice I'd been looking for my whole life.......The feel of the demo was more relaxed and sexy. I thought the record was too fast....... Thank you so much for sharing, this is beautiful! I've never heard it before. That falsetto voice is extremely sexy...It sounds more relaxed and sexy, indeed. I love it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cartmill Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 That little high note in the background for a couple of beats in the chorus is enough to get Andiemay going? Come on! What happens when you here Barry Gibb for a whole verse, girlfriend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDREA Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Tony Cartmill said: That little high note in the background for a couple of beats in the chorus is enough to get Andiemay going? Come on! What happens when you here Barry Gibb for a whole verse, girlfriend? Monsieur Tony, Vous etes un garçon très sauvage! Actually, I don't like Barry Gibb vocals very much...But, I do love Eric's Falsettos too much!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 That's our "savage" Tony! But we do love him! The music biz is a lot like everything else: the guys in charge don't know how to do it. And the bill, unfortunately, is staggering. But Eric's demo is a diamond. --D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANDREA Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 Of course, Tony is adorable!!.......mais, olalá! Il est trés sauvage, vraiment. Hhhmmmm, I'd also like to know if Tony has ever reached any Falsetto note while being strangled by "those" beautiful hands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seattlesteve Posted April 1, 2009 Share Posted April 1, 2009 So if I'm not mistaken, when the label would through the band and crew a party in "appreciation" for their hard work, talents, and rising the charts, the suits would get all the credit for being so nice and generous, when in actuality Eric is the one buying all the shrimp and scotch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT from Mo Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 WOW!!!!! I love both of them as well! Thanks so much Bernie and Eric! What a gem it is!HT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted September 14, 2012 Author Share Posted September 14, 2012 Hey, I just rediscovered this neat old thread, from around three years ago. The "Make Me Lose Control" a cappella version I linked in the opening post here, if you click on it. Great song for a vocals-only treatment.... And since we haven't seen Eric here in a while, I thought newer members would get a kick out of EC's comments here (see pp. 1, 2, 3, and 4 of thread). Long live rock'n'roll.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted September 14, 2012 Author Share Posted September 14, 2012 Eric Carmen said: Eric's Demo: Total cost including tracking, overdubs, vocals and mix/ $350.00 Total time in studio/ One day in Beachwood, Ohio Jimmy Ienner's Record: Total cost including tracking, overdubs, vocals and mix/ $65,000.00 Total time in studio/ Five days, tracking and overdubs, Three days, vocals/ Twenty days, mixing in L.A and Miami. I had forgotten about this particular post until re-reading this whole thread. What cool insight, as is Eric's description, in response to Marvin on p. 2, of how he "heard" the song — and how the final product wasn't quite what he intended. It's still a great pop record, though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LatetotheParty Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 LC, Thanks for revisiting this thread. Perhaps Bernie could repost "Long Live Rock and Roll" sometime soon as that old link has expired. A few of us never got to hear it. It sounds like a treat. Eric's back stories are priceless. Thanks, Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted September 27, 2012 Author Share Posted September 27, 2012 Bernie, is "Long Live Rock'n'Roll" already on the site somewhere? I swear I've seen it, but maybe it was for just a while...--LC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyletx500 Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 Sorry for bumping an old thread, but I just gotta say that I listened to the "Long Live Rock 'n' Roll" demo and absolutely loved it. I'm somewhat of a songwriter and have begun recording some of my original works in my makeshift home studio, so I love hearing anecdotes about the recording process. It's really cool that Eric hosts this forum and shares these incredible insights. I don't know if you'll see this Eric but I want to thank you regardless for helping inspire me to create my own music. I'm relatively young (21) and haven't been a fan for long, but your music has moved me in ways that very few artists have been able to accomplish. P.S. Funny enough, I actually learned to sing falsetto by impersonating Barry Gibb! Needless to say, I'm a massive Bee Gees fan as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Benfer Posted August 4, 2019 Share Posted August 4, 2019 Barry Gibb & Eric Carmen. Not too shabby in the song writing department. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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