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Well, actually, before we count all the way down, I would say: A quick call to Raspberries Legal would determine whether Pierre's (and Angloberry's) point is legit or a bit of hot air.

It just seems silly to me. BUT... on the other hand, working in publishing, I've seen first-hand how overboard lawyers can go (no offense to any lawyers who "play" here). After all, they make tons of money on cases a lot more frivilous than some Raspberries fan filing a suit because a limited edition wasn't limited enough. But I would say it is possible.... It's a way for a lawyer to create "work" --- and more income. Would he have leg to stand on? I just don't see it....

Gosh, this is so silly....

PS: If it turns out that a potential "victim" could indeed file a legit lawsuit, then the answer is pretty simple, as Paulie pointed out: Avoid some goon's potential legal action by dropping the Raspberries pin from the next run and dropping the price to $124.99. And don't call it "limited edition." People can be real *&*holes, after all (no offense to anyone here).

Gosh, this is silly....

(Can I get sued for saying any of that? Slander, maybe?)

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For anyone out their who was able to grab the LIMITED Raspberries DVD, autographed, etc. that is now SOLD OUT ( 300 copies????? ) what a shame..the Raspberries have more diehard fans than that...

I'M WILLING TO OFFER $500.00...ANYONE SERIOUSLY INTERESTED...PLEASE SEND ME AN E-MAIL AT ( Themai95@msn.com )

Marianna

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If 300 needed to be sold to make this project a GO, and get the 'regular' edition into even more hands, then I'm glad I could help!

You've crossed your hurdle, so hurry up and sign the darn things, and even sell more if you need to.

I missed the concerts, and I'm NOT going to miss the DVD. And I'm ecstatic that I get the bonus stuff!

294 and counting

Excellent--page 5 is MINE!

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Well slap my sides and paint me red, I seem inadvertantly to have brought us somewhat nearer to the 2,000,000 millionth hit!

Can I just it make clear that I have no objection whatsoever to the guys maximising their pay day on this project. I'm all for getting as much Raspberries product into the public domain at commercial rates as possible. They deserve it for all that's gone before and for just being up to continuing with the good work. The fans deserve a chance to get the full product too and I feel gutted for those who are facing the prospect of missing out on seeing the full concert.

I'm utterly thrilled to have secured one of the 300. But I would have paid the same or maybe more just to get the DVD of the full concert. I was only expecting the CD or CD/DVD options and I had set my heart on the DVD as there aren't too many Raspberries concerts to go to here. The fact all the other bells and whistles were included is fantastic and is what makes these guys so special that they would do that.

I didn't go for the "Ultimate Fan Pack" version of the "Tonight" book as I honestly felt there were people more deserving of that moniker than me. But if that had been the only way to get the book, then who knows............? Would those that did go for the Full Monty have been miffed if that run had been extended after they had handed over their hard earned?

Personally I think they under pitched the number of special edition sets at only 300 but I appreciate how difficult it is to get the anticipated demand versus cost equation right. I was therefore trying to suggest a world where everyone could be happy and where “special†could still mean “special†.

Sorry to blather on. <img border="0" alt="[sleepWakeUp]" title="" src="graemlins/sleepwakeup.gif" />

Gary

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Lawsuits??? Are you insane? Then I'm going to sue the Who for the $60 I paid for their "farewell" tour ticket in 1982. For any knucklehead that is considering a lawsuit, could you convince a judge that you wouldn't have purchased the CD/DVD had you known there were going to be 1,000 released instead of 300. Plus, you'll have to show damages. "Geez, your honor, I could have gotten $175 on ebay..."

Print as many as you can sell. It's not $125 because it's a limited edition. It's $125 because there's $125 worth of stuff included.

293 and 292.

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Well, actually, before we count all the way down, I would say: A quick call to Raspberries Legal would determine whether Pierre's (and Angloberry's) point is legit or a bit of hot air.

While I am a lawyer in Canada and would never profess to be an expert in American law (or even provide advice on it - I'm just playing devil's advocate here), breach of contract is simply not delivering what was contracted for. There is a contract between the Raspberries and every one of the 300 people who ordered the limited edition. If one of those 300 people can establish that they did not get what they contracted for (e.g. 1 of only 300 copies of the limited edition), it starts to look like breach of contract. You'd have to look at the wording of the "offer" to do a proper analysis of this issue.

Believe it or not, there are a whole lot of other legal issues here. (Being a lawyer is kind of like paying "spot the issue" for a living.) For example - what law governs the contracts? Is it Ohio law? How about for somebody like me who lives outside of the U.S.? This wouldn't be difficult to research, but it is another example of the minefield that routine business can often become.

And who exactly has contracted with the purchasers? What exactly constitutes "Raspberries", legally speaking?

There have been some alternative suggestions made here...and each one has to evaluated on its own merits. Would taking away a pin be enough? It all takes time and money to research. Maybe there would have to be something of value taken away from the package to sufficiently distinguish it from the original "limited edition". But of course you need a lawyer with expertise in the area of law (and the appropriate jurisdiction) to tell you that.

Anyway, all this is a long-winded lawyer's hypothesis as to why extending the limited edition is not a simple decision to make. And I'm sure that "Raspberries" know that already!

I have to go back to work now.

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Pierre - I don't doubt for a second that this theoretically could be grounds for a lawsuit. Hell, you can sue anyone for anything under the sun in this country - and probably in Canada as well. It does, however, become a practical question regarding who, among the purchasers of the original 300 sets, would feel they've been wronged by the band because they're trying to make a few more dollars by expanding the number of sets released.

Hell, I'll defend the right of anyone here to sell their limited edition set on Ebay if they so choose...but I'd be tempted to go medieval on anyone who would sue the band over denigrating the "limitedness" (if that's a word) of their set by releasing more copies!

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Books.

Hardcover first editions. Paperback first editions. Graphic Novels. Readers Digest Condensed Versions.

They all contain the same story, and aside from the RD edition, usually contain all the words. There is an indicia that says this is a second or third or forth printing...

How hard is it to stick a label on volume 301 - 1000 saying that they are the "second edition?"

How hard is it to just NOT NUMBER THEM!

When you are offering a limited number of signed items, you can still offer the same identical package in an unsigned version.

But wait... order by (insert date here) and you can recieve an officially signed (insert item here)... and that creates another set... no legal issues from the first group (or the 290 +/- who have not waived their rights yet... wink )

Besides, isn't Eric's brother a lawyer? I'm sure he might be better legal counsel than we here who only offer our hopes and well wishes...

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If the Berries are bonded/insured, I say we all sue... a really nice class action suit. Then we use the money to pay the band to do a tour. If we get enough money, we could quit work, buy a fleet of VW mini-buses and follow Ernie's Ryder truck from town to town. After the news reports and coverage by Olberman and O'Riley, people all across the USA would know about the tour and then the band could pack some big venues. And then there'd be enough money for a bunch of studio time and a new studio CD. I bet we'd have enough left to even pay Cat Stevens to help Eric on a new Christmas CD!

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this is a long thread, but i'll just chime in for being on the record, as honest feedback helps in any situation:

price: too high by a substantial amount, tho' i bought into it. why? to support, encourage, & thank the band, & to obviously enjoy the material/media (missed the live shows being here in texas)

glaring oversight: for the price, a copy of the book TONIGHT should absolutely be included, especially w/ it's tie-in to the harmonic reconvergence of the band

quantity of LE run: if they can manage to reproduce & sell another run of the LE set - more power to them! there are other folks that know what we've known all along, that RASPERRIES are the greatest, & they should be able to take this all in too

lawsuit or resentment toward band if they produce another LE run: laughable, but would love to see a couple of lawyers eat each other & get nothing out of it! (present legal company aside ;-)

RASPBERRIES: still the greatest power pop band ever - get thee out on the road again in 2007, guys! & don't forget your austin, tx. swing - party at my place when they do! ;-)

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this is a long thread, but i'll just chime in for being on the record, as honest feedback helps in any situation:

price: too high by a substantial amount, tho' i bought into it. why? to support, encourage, & thank the band, & to obviously enjoy the material/media (missed the live shows being here in texas)

glaring oversight: for the price, a copy of the book TONIGHT should absolutely be included, especially w/ it's tie-in to the harmonic reconvergence of the band

quantity of LE run: if they can manage to reproduce & sell another run of the LE set - more power to them! there are other folks that know what we've known all along, that RASPERRIES are the greatest, & they should be able to take this all in too

lawsuit or resentment toward band if they produce another LE run: laughable, but would love to see a couple of lawyers eat each other & get nothing out of it! (present legal company aside ;-)

RASPBERRIES: still the greatest power pop band ever - get thee out on the road again in 2007, guys! & don't forget your austin, tx. swing - party at my place when they do! ;-)

I agree 100% with you austinberries! Hmmm... I wonder if they have 300 copies of the "Tonight" book? That would be awesome but hey the package we're getting is way more than I could even begin to dream up. No problem here with the band extending the LE run - GO FOR IT!

My .02 worth

HT

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My 2 cents: Keep it a little extra special for the 300, and knock it down just a notch for those who didn't act quickly enough (like a few others have suggested)!

I didn't tell my wife yet that I shelled out the $125.00 two weeks before Christmas when this year was a little tougher financially then years past...I need to justify it in some way when she finds out!

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