Poor4Life Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 gotta agree with bahooey, it is a pretty weak song. When it was first released I loved it (probably since it was Eric's first new tune in years. Through the years though I've grown to dislike the cheesy keyboards, and the melody doesn't really go anywhere.Jeff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Everybody's a critic! That's okay, even *horses* can be critics:I recall a story about the final rehearsals before the opening of an opera when Sir Thomas Beecham became disgusted: singers didn't know their lines, the orchestra wasn't playing their best and several performers were criticizing the entire production. Beecham had to agree that production was going very poorly. During the rehearsal of a crucial scene, one of the live horses they were using stopped and left a substantial pile of manure in the middle of the stage. Beecham stopped conducting and announced, "Ladies and gentlemen, not only is this horse a fine actor, but he's also an *excellent* critic! --D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 What I'm waiting for now is for all the critics to write something better and get it produced and distributed! Then, when you've succeeded, tell all the REST of us how to do it... --Darlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bahoodore Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Hey Darlene, I have noticed that EC seems to be your idol and you protect him like he was the holy grail. He's just a man with a great talent for music as a composer and interpreter...but he does not have a halo, nor wings....as for the critics writing something better, you got me there...I cannot write music worth Sh*t...if I could I would have stayed in the profession...I just do not have that gift.Now, Marvin...that's another issue...he can write pretty good tunes...maybe we'll hear his stuff one day.bahooey (love the new moniker) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popdude Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Everybody's a critic! That's okay, even *horses* can be critics. HEY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popdude Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Bahoo, I Wanna Hear It From Your Lips is not a ripoff of anything. I hope I don't have to go back into my diatribe about there not being endless possibilities in twelve tone Western music! Umm.....I rather like the song, as I've said...but Dar, it DOES sound a LOT like "Fire" by the Pointer Sisters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMMY TUNES Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I'm very confused . There's some bad blood here, argumentative posts and some downright nastiness. What I don't understand is "How did I have nothing to do with this?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Quote: Hey Darlene, I have noticed that EC seems to be your idol and you protect him like he was the holy grail. He's just a man with a great talent for music as a composer and interpreter...but he does not have a halo, nor wings.... I thought it was like a lioness defending a 12 ounce rib steak! I think we've been here before.(Can you say, "Bahoo-deja vu?")Honestly, I don't "defend" Eric. Nobody *has* to. He stands "all by himself" on his own amazing talent and success. Quote:I cannot write music worth Sh*t...if I could I would have stayed in the profession...I just do not have that gift.I'm sure you have a lot of songwriting talent and should have "stayed in the profession." Writing is definitely NOT easy. That's why I have six or seven songs I've loved/hated for the last five years and won't share them with many people. I feel like *I* can't write, either. I know what I want to say, but can't seem to get it down just the way I want to. That's a *special* kind of gift, way beyond songwriting, that Eric has. That's my point--Eric writes so well, he doesn't need defending from anybody. I wish I could be he for 24 hours--I'd transform my songs into something great and "put them out there."No offense meant, none taken, Bahoo. Don't adopt the new moniker. I like your name better. --Darlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 TOMMY, There is *no* bad blood in this thread--just a couple of people rehashing an old echo of banter. No nastiness at all. (You should have been around the FIRST time! I love Bahoo (and Marvin)--we're just having a friendly discussion. Different opinions--that's what makes a horse race. Sorry, John. I'll stop mentioning horses!PS--I like horses too! --Darlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SugarBabi7 Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Besides, when he's backlit just right...Eric does have that glowing halo look.Besides, Eric was...is...and probably will always remain a "hottie".Sugar :p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill C Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I liked IWHIFYL, and just the fact the loodog is looking for it so passionately goes to show you that there are songs for every taste. I didn't really care for Hey Deanie, but I would take the royalties Shaun Cassidy produced for Eric. You never know what might turn a buck and IWHIFYL could have been the next teen sensation hit. Who knows? I think that song had that kind of potential and might have worked out better as a copyright paycheck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I definitely think IWHIFYL is a musical "hottie." --Darlene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMMY TUNES Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 I haven't heard it in a long time and as I try to hear it in my head each time I do "Fire" by the Pointer Sisters comes out instead. Although I do not remember thinking that back in the day. You don't believe me? Try it yourself. (this challenge only goes out to people like myself who have not heard the song in a few years. Challenge not valid to those who play Eric 24/7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Darlene, I'm glad you clarified your friendly fire with Baho. While you were writing that, I was writing a "get-off-Darlene's-back" post (not that you need any defending... ). But for those of us who didn't know the Dar-Bah history, it did seem, like TomTunes said, nasty.... "I Wanna Hear It..."? I like it. It's a solid "B" in my book. Not an "A+" like "Boats" or "IWBWY" or many others, but not a "C" or "D" either.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMMY TUNES Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Hey Darlene, I have noticed that EC seems to be your idol and you protect him like he was the holy grail. He's just a man with a great talent for music as a composer and interpreter...but he does not have a halo, nor wings....as for the critics writing something better, you got me there...I cannot write music worth Sh*t...if I could I would have stayed in the profession...I just do not have that gift.Now, Marvin...that's another issue...he can write pretty good tunes...maybe we'll hear his stuff one day.bahooey (love the new moniker) I'd love to hear Marvin's lyrics put to Eric's music. Perhaps Eric doesn't have to look too far for his new lyricist with Marvin Matthews hanging in his own back yard. Judging by the writing I've seen by Marvin and the one set of Marvin lyrics ("You and I") I've had access to he could find a worse lyricist and often has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockerreds Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 This whole thread is strange but I'll weigh in anyway.Some people hear "Fire" but I've also heard IWHIFYL compared to "Every Breath You Take".Whatever.I really like the song and wish it had been a bigger hit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadfingerBarb Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 "I Wanna Hear It..." is tripe and a major nick off of "Fire" by Springsteen. The entire album suffers from bad '80s production (as opposed to good '80s production?!?) and is mostly forgettable. It was EC's weakest album until "Winter Dreams". Just my two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raspbernie Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Call me crazy -BUT- these three songs score a solid A+ in my book:I'm Through With LoveShe RememberedThe Way We Used To BeBernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnO Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Sure, it sounds a lot like Springsteen's "Fire" (first recorded in a studio by Robert Gordon & Link Wray, BTW....later, the Pointer Sisters)....but remember, Eric's "borrowed" from lots of sources in the past (Todd R's "Couldn't I Just Tell You" for "I Wanna Be With You", the Beach Boys' "I Can Hear Music" for "Sunrise", Rachmaninoff for "All By Myself" and "Never Gonna Fall In Love Again", among others), so why is this so surprising? Personally, I'm closer to agreeing with BadfingerBarb's post than anyone else's....although I do like that album better than "Change Of Heart". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 This sure *is* deja-vu. It's like last year never happened. Granted, some of you guys weren't around for the first one, but if you click on the search button that's under "post a poll" here, and type in "The Eric Influence Game" or some such thing, you may well find "the first time."Board membership has grown so vastly since then, most of the regular posters may not even have been on the board at that time. Not to mention that in the meantime, Raspberries reunited, gave 10 OUT OF THIS WORLD concerts and a VH1-Classic appearance with a new arrangement, and things have been "poppin'"!In short, EVERY musician has "quoted" and developed ideas by his/her idols, and classical composers have been doing it for hundreds of years, even quoting THEMSELVES! Add to that the limited chord choices (that make sense!) the 12 tone system gives, and *something* is always going to sound like something *else*!Can we put this to bed now?I couldn't agree more with Bernie's A+ songs. And IWHIFYL gets an A+ in my book, too. --DarlenePS Now you're all filled in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darlene Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 PS JohnO, Mr. Rundgren "borrowed" more than one song from Raspberries FIRST! "Couldn't I Just Tell You" was just a bit of giving it back to him "on purpose," if I correctly recall. --D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadfingerBarb Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 "Change of Heart" has more high marks than the Geffen album ("Hey Deanie, Desperate Fools", "Heaven Can Wait", and the fantastic "Someday"). It suffers from bad arrangements and the disco sound in other places. I'd love to hear a slow piano version of the title track as I'm sure it would blow away whats on the LP. It's a good song but the recording is a horrible arrangement. The Geffen album has one great song in "I'm Through with Love" and the rest is fairly mediocre at best. I like "American As Apple Pie" but it's sabataged somewhat by the '80s sound (cringe). "Maybe My Baby" is a tad too catchy for my tastes. The rest of the tunes just aren't particularly memorable, much like "Winter Dreams". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMMY TUNES Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 I pretty much agree with BadfingerBarb except "Change of Heart" is a great song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnO Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Darlene - Yes, I know....there have probably been more borrowings from the Raspberries and Eric than vice versa....I was just responding to the claim that he ripped off Springsteen. It wasn't that uncommon (and still isn't)....at least Eric has openly admitted in interviews about most of his borrowings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnO Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 My problem with "Change Of Heart", and why it's my least favorite EC album is....you could put Barry Gibbs' voice on at least half of the songs, changing nothing else, and it would sound just like BeeGees late 70's/disco period tunes. I remember reading that this LP was his attempt to consciously go after a hit single that sounded current for the time. Myabe the highs are higher than on the GEffen EC, but I also feel that the lows were lower...but that's just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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