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They can do whatever they want with it because THEY ADVANCED THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT. But it all comes off the top of her future royalties. Additionally, there are clauses in record contracts that allow the labels to "hold back" payment of a hundred thousand dollars or so. It's been a while, and I've forgotten what they call it, but that's considered an "industry standard", which is just another way of saying, "everyone screws their artists as much as they can." ec

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You know Tommy, that was a pretty smart-ass message you just posted. I just took a good hour out of my life to answer Marvin's question because I thought you guys would find the history pretty darn interesting, and then you make a sarcastic remark like that. Makes me feel like I just wasted my time. ec

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OH MY GOD...I feel like I just read a Jackie Susann ( or Jackie Collins) novel!!! Eric, how the HELL can artists make a living from their craft? From .99 cents on Itunes?? with the production costs you gave us????

man, I heard ABM tonight in Walmart and remember thinking "I have to ask eric if this is the song he makes the most royalties from as a songwriter"

but what if you're NOT the songwriter? How the hell do you make money these days? Touring?!

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You didn't waste your time, Eric...I never knew what a stranglehold labels had on their artists...and really didn't understand why so many artists were disgruntled with the way things have been...There is and has been a good reason for artists to desire a new way to distribute their music...Now with a little help from higher tech...help is on the way.

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Let me say this....I enjoyed reading Eric's take on Clive Davies as much as anything I've ever read on this board.I mean it really only took a couple of mins to read and was laid out perfectly.I post at a bunch of musical hipster sites and I sure as hell never had someone who actually recorded for Clive lay it out like that.If you love records you had to love Eric's post.

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Eric I can assure you that most of us here are really appreciating what you have posted. The depth and insight of that has for me at least given me a far better appreciation of the struggles you, the Raspberies and 1000s of artists over the years have had to make to get your music to us.

Don't stop because some don't take it seriously

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I had no idea it was so...cut throat.

I live in my La La land suburban world, where people are polite and have perfectly mowed lawns, and I turn on my beautiful Eric Carmen music and never question all the effort and self sacrifice involved in producing the end product.

I appreciation your openness

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Enjoyable story .... The shenanigans of record execs, and the underhanded goings on in that circle is some of the worst I have seen in ANY business -- and, I've seen a lot -- almost nastier than the "waste management" guys -- I know -- my moms (on and off) boyfriend for a lengthy time in the 80's and 90's, was, well, I'll leave it as an "unnamed" wink CEO of Columbia/Sony records, a visionary, that got nailed to the cross very badly, by the people he trusted and hired .... but, he couldn't handle it -- wasn't a survivor like the Clivester...I saw it all happen. It was unbelievable ...

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Eric...I remember when you would post once in a while through Bernie. I would look forward to any bit of inside info. Now we hear from you regularly and it's wonderful.

I feel privileged each time you share.

We fans only have some sense of what we think are musical trends..and you give us real glimpses into your sojourn in the music business.

If I have ever made the "fan" mistake of thinking I really know you or ever presumed too much...I am truly sorry.

I consider myself a level headed near-Senior Citizen..and yet I get as excited as a school boy when you respond to my thoughts about Gene Pitney or The Fountains of Wayne..and if I can give you 1/100th the satisfaction your music has given me over the years by telling you what you have meant to many of us..."Well that's alright by me tonight".

Thanks-Ira.

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Eric, thank you for the in depth answer to Marv's question. I'm sure the majority of us appreciate the fact that you actually take the time to hang out here and post. I know I do.

Thanks again.

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I think I see the the makings of the next Eric/Bernie book. It would be fascinating reading and with the Idol hook, a million seller.

If Eric can write 300 pages the way he wrote the Clive posts... I'll pick up the book and not put it down until the last page. Bernie, reserve mine now.

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Eric,

I REALLY hope you don't feel you've wasted your time sharing your amazing insights here with us!! I'll bet most of us, at least I know I have never had a clue about what really goes on behind the scenes of the music industry..I'm amazed ... and it's incredible to read this all from someone who's actually LIVED the tale. THANK YOU !!! happy Marlene

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I wasn't 100% sure of the meaning of the word so I looked it up. For the benefit of others:

im·per·ti·nent (m-pûrtn-nt) KEY

ADJECTIVE:

Exceeding the limits of propriety or good manners; improperly forward or bold: impertinent of a child to lecture a grownup.

Not pertinent; irrelevant. See Synonyms at irrelevant.

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Eric, I really appreciate the detailed answers. And I certainly appreciate the time it takes to craft them.

I can't speak for Mr. TUNES, but I do know as a sometimes wise-ass that occasionally things sound funnier in my head than they look after I have typed them.

To quote a song title (that wasn't yours and nowhere nearly up to your standards)

Don't Give Up On Us, Baby... laugh

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