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i heard it today too...
not bad, although the "affected" vocal is an acquired taste... the tune itself sounds like his days spent hanging around Jesse Malin rubbed off on him (a very linear track, in a non-Springsteen kinda way)
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i don't know where to start....
given the scant amount of EC material during his solo artistic peak (1975-1977), need it be said this like discovering a whole album's worth of lost Brian Wilson classics...
and what a f'n "near" masterpiece it is... in many ways it surpasses the heights of "Boats..." (i.e. the haunting meloncholy is as poignant and moving as anything he's laid to tape)....
if anything, he should see if A Girl Called Eddy would want a crack at it... pure genius!!!
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what ruins it for me, too is Jon's voice... and the dreadful keyboards... there's a lot of pop faux-pas' in there...
this can also be sighted back to when i saw Prism (another pre-Bon Jovi band) open up for Cheap Trick... they had sideburns in 1979 & poodle hair too... OOOOPs!!! we (my friends and I) all said "gag"...
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Raspbernie said:
You don't even like Jon's early work? "Runaway" should at least tickle your "sweet spot," no?
oh lord, i dislike it more than just about anything... but i chalk that up to growing up at the wrong time... especially since i can tolerate a song or two by New England (Hello Hello Hello) which might as well be Bon Jovi... and a stray tune from Starz....
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w/ Bob Allen in mind... and real fast off the top of me head...Who can forget Bea Arthur's much-maligned 'Crumbs On My Muffin'? Not me!
this is by no means a top 10 (way too hard to choose)
this one goes to "11"
1. RASPBERRIES- Go All The Way
2. BIG STAR- September Gurls
3. BADFINGER- Baby Blue
4. DWIGHT TWILLEY BAND- Looking For The Magic
5. DAVID BOWIE- Heroes
6. NEW YORK DOLLS- Trash
7. TODD RUNDGREN- Wailing Wall
8. JOHN LENNON- Love
9. PAUL MCCARTNEY-Dear Friend
10. GEORGE HARRISON- Ballad Of Sir Frankie Crisp (Let It Roll)
11. BEACH BOYS- Surf's Up
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and here's another point...
it's always a very bad sign when "press" become this belittling force with petty nastiness...
it's another thing to stay grounded and give good constructive criticism when needed...
I dislike Bon Jovi's music quite a bit... and I would never suggest that I "review" any of their shows or CDs because of this personal distaste for the music... it's of no use to anyone...
that said, I could probably judge what's a good Bon Jovi concert from a bad one (going by technical standards obviously)... Still, to take them out and roast them would only benefit my ego and just rile up the fans... which of course, is the motivation here with The Cleveland Press
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Raspbernie said:
The New Jersey press (and public) love their hometown heroes. You would never see such a bitter one-sided "review" of either act here in the Garden State.
that's why i keep my opinions about Bon Jovi to myself
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MICHAEL STANLEY re: RASPBERRIES
"Did they make great albums? Definitely not; too much filler...."
uhhh..... it seems that Mr. Stanley hasn't listened to "Starting Over" or even "Fresh" recently.... which, if anyone's counting/checking stand tall in the 21st century, especially "Starting Over"...
and Big Star were a really good band, too!
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ira said:
Farrar is a guy-who-if he were older- would've (As Eric ALWAYS correctly points out when discussing late 60's early 70's music) applauded Jethro Tull and Lee Michael's interminable solos while trashing the 'Berries,the Beach Boys and the Hollies...
not really... he would've hated Tull (like most critics of that era) because they were hugely popular-- a giant mistake--
Jethro Tull, no matter how you feel about them, are an amazing band-- check any footage from 1970-1971 on youtube...
he's one of those critics who likes the obscure stuff (and the darker stuff) more than the popular and postive stuff and has a lot of trouble sorting the two out (a major critical mishap)....
if he wrote during the Berries heyday he would've sided with bands like Love, Nick Drake, Tim Hardin, Moby Grape and The Flying Burritto Bros and the Flamin' Groovies (all good stuff)... but a band like the Raspberries would confuse him... they still do...
Jeff Harris, you nailed it....
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ira said:
(sarcasm fully intended)... Why even discuss this sensationalism-seeking moron?-Ira.
well, mainly because he's in print, and because it's part of the "dialogue" no matter how far off base it is...
his is worse, because it's in the context of the bands the Raspberries are peers with and equal too...
to try and rewrite or stir up the pot (especially in a Cleveland paper) is something that needs to be taken to task...
fans do tend to be hyberbolic, and history does get out of perspective... so certain crap gets thrown into public debate... as a response or as something to f'k sh*t up...
the one thing the Raspberries achieved w/ the reunion and this DVD was their proper place as the creators of power pop and definitely one of the most influential bands of the early 1970s... whether or not Kiss or Motley Crap sound a thing like them...
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well, the thing about all THREE groups are the MAJOR singers:
Alex Chilton
Pete Ham
Eric Carmen
(not mention the other guys: Chris Bell, Jody Stephens, Dave Smalley, Wally Bryson, Joey Molland, Tom Evans)....
in each case, the band has a singer of MONUMENTAL importance....
Alex Chilton's vocals on the Big Star albums (especially "Radio City") is unmatched... but very personal...
Pete Ham's voice is one of the all-time most beautiful creations...
and of course Eric's which even goes a step further and delivers this Steve Marriott-esque punch that neither of those 2 could muster...
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Not really..... it's just that most people only know the stuff that's been hammered down their throats... and that's only (maybe) 10-15 songs at best...I think Sinatra sang what he sang well, possibly for many, they just aren't necessarily our favoritie songs.
very few sang Cole Porter better... amongst the 50-60 or so studio albums he did, there's a LOT to be heard... his live stuff (1955-1965) is even better....
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OK... do I have to spell it out????raspathens...I did a YouTube search for IGYUMS and that was the first one to come up. If that's not his best stuff (or even him as hollies65 says) maybe I haven't given him a fair chance. Seems like most times I saw him on TV (70's on) he sounded like this...mostly talking through the songs.
Maybe I'll check out some of his older stuff...all of y'all can't be wrong. Besides, we all agree on EC so we must have similar tastes.
Thanks...Duane
If you want to turn someone on to The Rolling Stones you DON'T play them "Steel Wheels" or "Undercover Of The Night" or show them any live footage after 1981!!!!!!!!!
If you want to turn someone on to Led Zeppelin you DON'T play them "In Thru The Out Door"!!!!!!
If you want to turn someone on to Rod Stewart you DON'T play them anything after 1977!!!!!!!
PLEASE DO NOT JUDGE Frank Sinatra by his windbag years of the 1970s & 1980s.... he went downhill FAST.... although there are glimmers here & there... but never anything worth the effort...
His early early stuff will not make a big impression either, unless you're a Crooner fanatic...
It was after his comeback in film (circa '53 as Maggio in "From Here To Eternity") that he became an amazing singer and really took off...
1955's "In The Wee Small Hours" is probably the best place to start... It also happens to be the first real concept album (way before the Beatles, duh).... anything up until his album w/ Jobim is worth anyone's attention...
now where's my shot, punk???
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huh?Ditto for me: Dino over Sinatra any day of the week.
Marv
that's like saying the Four Seasons over The Beatles
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Eric Carmen said:
Kiss is the some way. It's a total commitment by the band to go for it, on every level. I have complete admiration for a group that can all get on the same page like that. That's what I always wanted for the Raspberries. ec
Yes & NO...
I just saw Kiss on a recent VH1 Rock Honors show & they sucked sucked sucked and were dreadful on top of it..... mostly Paul Stanley who sang himself into a hole and never got out
and of course the fake "Ace Frehley"-- i really wanted to make him evaporate immediately....
they (the comeback Kiss since 1996) were ok until they continued to go for the $$$$$ in the most crass of ways... which, i guess, is par for the course in Kiss' case....
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almost everything he did between 1957-1965 is top notch, especially the live stuff (w/ Count Basie, Red Notvo, Nelson Riddle)
and the tv show "A Man & His Music" has some incredible performances
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EC
my sentiments as well (as above)....
and to parahrase 2 greats:
and in the end (the) love is all that matters
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if you don't like Sinatra it's tough to say if you'll catch how subtle & at ease he is w/ everything... that type of confidence and grace is what makes him amazing... it's style, but it's incredible...Here's "I've Got You Under My Skin" that Raspathens recommended. I listened to it twice...I still don't get it:
this clip of him w/ Jobim (i hope, couldn't check it from where I am) should be the same genius medley they did on one of his specials... godhead
Francis Albert Sinatra & Antonio Carlos Jobim
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yes indeed....Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, ever phrased better than Sinatra. Not ever. ec
and no one should ever try to judge him from his work after 1975/76 (sorta the same thing that goes w/ the Rolling Stones after 1982, or whenever you prefer to draw the line)...
the amount of quality recordings he made from 1953-1968 alone (his PEAK years) are enough to lay claim to all modern "pop" singers... fer gawd's sake he makes Johnny Mathis's version of "Misty" sound downright small... especially on the bridge where he blows the doors off the studio....and truly defines what classic phrasing is all about
in defense of Burt Bacharach: he's been covered by The Stranglers, The Pretenders, Dusty Springfield, Sinatra, Ben Folds, Tom Jones, Aretha Franklin, Love... among zillions & was music director to Marlene Deitrich... pretty varied guy
for Jimmy Webb: REM, Joe Pernice, Dusty Springfield, Donna Summer, Freedy Johnston, 5th Dimension, Sinatra
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Not really....I know there is corruption in government and industry in the U.S. (though in relative terms it's small compared to the human experience throughout history). And healthy skepticism is a good thing. What bothers me is knee jerk reactions when things go wrong, when frustration set in: irrational attacks against those with power, against those that are more successful than us, against the productive, against the "rich" who have more money than us, against our country that on balance, is the greatest political entity in the world's history (IMHO) and which many have worked and worked and died to make it what it is.
A person busts his butt to be successful and what can he/she look forward to? Politicians, the press, some of the jealous masses.. spewing venum his/her way...assuming he's made it on the backs of the little guy...etc etc.
I think this is an unhealthy mindset.
No intelliegent person will lump the greedy evil corporate bastards (Enron) in with those who are genuine decent and upstanding (Bill Gates).
With capatilism, the people must keep a close eye on the those in power, because money can be the root of a lot of evil... (hello, record companies)
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that those profiting the most could do a little bit better at giving back... unless you think owning mansions on every continent is a vital necessity before the common good (needs) of your workers...
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i have yet to hear it... but it's coincidental that there's a song by the same title released in 1969 by The Clique, which has a very Eric Carmen-ish bridge (in his Small Faces mode)...
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yes indeed....
of all the songs that charted during the first bubblegum craze, "Indian Giver" is the best.... although it's so good it really transcends the genre & sounds more like a garage classic from Paul Revere & The Raiders...
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same here... although i finally did check it out when i was at a computer that could view it...Carmen - It isn't a matter of whether I like them...I CAN'T access the file/Myspace site or play anything on my cheapo PC at work.
not bad.... pretty cool stuff
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Not totally...Big problem for Kelly! Clive will not do anything to support the album and it will tank, proving him right. I am afraid that this is a sad Catch 22.
Bernie
if it's not a PR move she might end up getting hold of her own musical path... whatever that may be...
whether or not this sells 1 million vs. 5 million ain't the big picture either... although that's usually what the dim media focuses on...
If she can keep a TRUE fanbase while making the album that's true to her heart, that's what matters in the end...
it seems that she knows it's make or break time for someone who has been a teen idol.....
if she wants to be a flash in the pan like far too many teen idols (Shaun Cassidy, Leif Garrett, Tiffany, Debbie Gibson) she'll follow Clive... and die
it's time to get some legs... and live
good for her
Cyrus Erie
in That's Rock 'N' Roll
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the question remains... will the material see the light of day? (no sublime pun intended)....what i've heard of The Quick & Cyrus Erie truly constitutes a major piece of obscure rock history... and is way better than tons of stuff on the Nuggets box sets...