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"Go All The Way" remake BY THE RASPBERRIES!

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Wouldn't it be a good time to make a full sounding remake recording, either in studio or a clean live show recording of the resurging hit, whose riff is still as fresh as it was 33 years ago...BY THE RASPBERRIES THEMSELVES? Has anyone talked to the guys about this?

Everytime I hear that thin mix drum track and the lack of bass throughout the song, I just think of how much better it could be recorded in today's studios... frown

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pierson   

NOOOOO!!!!!!!

No matter how well-intentioned the idea is, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO RECREATE or IMPROVE on the original no matter what your beef is w/ the bass or drum sound... It's much akain to a tune like Mott The Hoople's "All The Young Dudes" or the Monkees' "Porpoise Song"-- it's etched in stone as is.... any modern retouching, revamping will suck out a good chunk of its original magic.... it's very much a product of 1972 & should remain so

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Not with the same players!

How about just re-doing the bass and drum track or do a drastic remaster and fill in the wimpy void. You can't be happy with the crappy AM radio bottom end. Jim sounds like he's playing on a Fisher Price drum set!

Pierson, tell me you don't have that Kyle Vincent-itis, where he tries to record his new up-beat pop songs with old retro late 60's/early 70's style thin wimpy guitar and drum tracks. That mindset has ruined Kyle's upbeat pop rock songs on his last 2 CDs.

I thought those old songs sounded that way, not because the artists wanted them to, but because the technology at that time didn't give them any other choice.

Other good songs that suffered from that crappy sounding mix: "Nowhere Man"-The Beatles, "The Rain, The Park and Other Things"- The Cowsills, and most of The Monkees songs.

"Technology Good, Tarzan."

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Classic Coke all the way. How about those great colorized black and white movies! Didn't "It's a Wonderful Life" become more of a masterpiece when it was colorized??!! I wonder why we never see that version anymore, or any old movies colorized? Maybe because they suck?! You leave masterpieces alone. You don't "touch-up" the Mona Lisa! Go see and hear them live....they will have the sound you crave! Or maybe the live CD. But I agree....don't touch the original studio version.

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popdude   

Apples and oranges, my dear Cartmill. Vanilla Coke was a DIFFERENT flavor, not a rehash/remake of a tried and true classic. Without Pierson and I, you'd be living with the "new, improved" coke. Yuck.

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Maybe instead of your idea, they could do what Pat Boone did, and come out with a CD of covers of Heavy Metal songs. wink They could even do some of the same covers, e.g. Ozzy Osbourne's "Crazy Train" and Ronnie James Dio's "Holy Diver" - Just to name a couple. Can't you just see the boys clad in leather ripping through a few Metal songs?

All kidding aside - I agree with those who think that "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Tim

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Hey Smittie:

Extracted from today's Wall Street Journal:

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A famous beverage giant wants to teach the world to sing -- again.

Coca-Cola Co. is reprising its best-known TV commercial to market its latest new product hope.

The original 1971 ad, known as the "Hilltop" commercial for its Italian backdrop, featured a large international cast of young people singing "I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony / I'd like to buy the world a Coke and keep it company." The commercial became an instant classic and the song was a Billboard Top 10 hit.

Coke recently shot its new version, called "Chilltop," on the roof of a Philadelphia building. Hip-hop artist G. Love (Garrett Dutton) and a cast of young people gathered on the rooftop at sunset to sing a new set of lyrics to the familiar Coke tune. The new song draws on the tagline for the campaign: "Everybody Chill."

The updated lyrics are: "I'd like to teach the world to chill, take time to stop and smile / I'd like to buy the world a Coke and chill with it awhile."

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Great that we don't have to make this stuff up!

"Keith"

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I agree with both sides, if that makes sense. What the original Raspberries records lacked in sound quality, they made up for tenfold with the performances, mood/vibe, and the songs themselves. So often when a group or artist re-records its hits, the feeling is lost. But that said, a new recording of Raspberries classics isn't going to make the originals go away. I think the ideal situation would be to release a live CD of the current tour. That would be the best of all worlds!

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Hey , here's an idea! How about if they go into the studio and record a bunch of 40's standards. They could call it "The Great American Songbook" and...oh, never mind...

Jeff

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Still, listening to that no-bottom-end recording of a great song frustrates the hell out of me. Eric said himself, that he wishes the old songs didn't sound like a crappy AM radio speaker mix.

I know Brian Wilson said he wishes he could have spent more time mixing "Help Me Rhonda". He's not happy with the final mix.

If you get a second chance to improve a masterpiece that has obvious original recording flaws, I say, "Go for it." It can be an updated version with a different feel...And with any luck and timing, it might go beyond #2 to #1 this time.

You know, unless some thug rapper releases a single at the same time... frown

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It has been said that many LIVE albums weren't 100% LIVE. It seems that many are not satisfied with the way the vocals sound, so they record some vocal tracks in the studio to layer onto the live performance. Knowing Eric, (I really don't know Eric, but in this case, I think I know him well ecough) he won't be satisfied with the sound of these live performances either. I'll be shocked if we see a DVD in the near future because Eric just won't like what he hears. They have probably already decided to record more shows to see if they can salvage performances that Eric thinks are good enough to release. Well..if I'm right, and if it is true about enhancing the vocals in the studio, wouldn't this be an option? I heard that it was done with Frampton. Does anyone have any first hand knowledge on if this is actually true and is done to some live recordings.

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i think the sound you hear on the record is the way the band intended it...i hear echoes of ROY ORBISON records from the previous decade in "go all the way"...it was a record made for radio...the radio that existed in the early 70's...hearing it today...in it's original mix takes me back to that time...and it also does that for people who weren't even born then...the digital age has introduced a sterility into the recording process that can rip the power right out of a power chord...leaving it to sound alone and empty.

still...even though i'm not much for live albums...i think a song like "go all the way" would fare well in that format...because it was made without alot of studio tricks...relying instead on the most basic elements of rock for it's sound.

btw...i think it's the background vocals that will need sweetening...if anything...i think ERIC'S vocal will rise to the occasion...but sometimes the background vocals can't be reproduced in concert by people who are busy playing the music.

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Kirk   

Craig--The only 'live' song on record, Eric's "Sunrise", had the lead vocal redone. It's pretty obvious when you listen to the live version and the released live version. It wouldn't be surprising to find out that they are still looking at the lead vocals of the reunion shows--Kirk.

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Tom   

The"remastered" 24 bit recording of " Go all the Way" has more bottom end than the original version.I've done real time comparisons and it's noticable.

Anyone know if the most recent greatest hits package has the remastered versions or the old versions?

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duner   

I really don't think there is a need to re-record the originals, with the technology we have today, I think remastering the origanls would be great. Here's another tought, remaster a bunch of the original classics for a cd and have the guys add two or three new songs. Eric Carmen and the Raspberries live on!!!!

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Everytime I've heard a remix guy/girl add or redo a bass or drum track to an old thin song, as long as the new track fit the music, it sounded GREAT!

You guys can listen to the old recording in your Model T cars, listening on your 1 speaker 8-track stereos and dreaming about when Mary-Ann will finally be allowed to show her belly button on Gilligan's Island...

I'll go with progress, baby cool

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James   

Tony Cartmill is right on this one...

P.S. Tony, for a good full sound, refer to "Side 3"....the best of the 4 by the Raspberries

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