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Jerry   

This 70's band called Zoot is touring the states right now. What? You never heard of them, so you're not going to buy a ticket? What if I told you that one of the members of the band is Rick Springfield? Yeah, the "Jessie's Girl" guy. The "Don't Talk to Strangers" guy. The "I've Done Everything for You" guy. The General Hospital guy. Oh, now you're going to buy a ticket.

This 70's band called Raspberries is touring the states right now. What? You never heard of them, so you're not going to buy a ticket? What if I told you that one of the members of the band is Eric Carmen? Yeah, the "Hungry Eyes" guy. The "Make Me Lose Control" guy. The "All By Myself" guy. The Dirty Dancing guy. Oh, now you're going to buy a ticket.

I know this is a bit of a sore spot with the band... it's The Raspberries, not Eric Carmen and The Raspberries. I just don't see how a little bit of cashing in on Eric's solo success could hurt, especially regarding generating ticket sales.

Have some fun with it. Do a quick, semi-tongue-in-cheek medley of his hits. Let Wally, Dave, and/or Jim sing lead. Throw in a little Fotomaker. If done in the right spirit it could generate a bit of a buzz. That would be a good thing.

PS- Start a rumor that Springsteen is going to drop in and jam. It could happen...

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Bernie is right ( like we've never heard that before ). If I'd known in '04/05 -- I'd a been there to those shows!! Press is a good thing.

*** Announcing a little more in advance is a good thing --- so there's more time for press & word of mouth AND time for people to make plans to get off from work & get plane tickets, etc. to go out of town.

****!!!!****NEWSFLASH: PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR AN EXCUSE TO GO TO FLORIDA IN JANUARY & FEBRUARY.

THIS IS A NO-BRAINER --- TAKE ADVANTAGE!!

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dianed   

I get weekly updates from Live Nation, which lists all the upcoming concerts in NY and NJ.

The Raspberries was NEVER listed on this site and if you do a "search" you still come up with nothing.

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Yup, BOC is the Blue Oyster Cult, and they have a few crossover fans with the Raspberries. IIRC, one of the 2005 reunion shows was promoted by the venue as Eric Carmen & the Raspberries, I think Atlantic City HOB?

Anyway, not a big fan of that idea, with the covers already in & a bunch of solo stuff, how much from the 4 LPS would get thru? I thought at one point an extended concert with a multi hour set and EC just backed by the overdubs, with the Raspberries joining on their stuff would be cool, but I'd rather just see 2 hours from the 4 LPs.

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mannoman   

My two monetary units:

I don't believe the guys need, or want, to be on tour with over the hill 60's - 70's bands. If they can't draw the crowds on their own, then maybe they need to rethink the approach.

It's quite simple, folks. The one element missing is BUZZ . One major TV show will jump start the whole thing. Where's the "The Agency" on this?

The power of network news and shows like Letterman cannot be ignored. It creates awareness. Paul Shaffer, alone, could put this over the top. Did we send him a DVD of the LA show and ask for his assistance? Kinda a "Brothers In Arms" request for musicians (Brothers) who have paid their dues and deserve a mention from someone with clout (Paul).

GOT BUZZ?

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Jerry said:

I just don't see how a little bit of cashing in on Eric's solo success could hurt, especially regarding generating ticket sales.

This is exactly what I've been saying all along, cash in on the Carmen Connection or be part of an Oldies Tour! Being on the Oldies Circuit is not the worse thing in the world.

Of course the real question is:

What does the band want to get out of all of this:

A. Adoration of their fans--maybe they are doing it for us few thousand faithful...if so, a sincere THANK YOU!

B. Satisfy their creative cravings.

C. Make a few bucks

D. They enjoy it and have nothing better to do anyway. So if they break even, who cares!

I'm certainly going to enjoy the experience on Saturday night regardless of their motives or their future...so again...thank you, Eric, Wally, Jim and Dave!

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We all want two successful sold out shows with raving manical fans...but when someone is trying to sell two $50.00 tickets for a minimum bid of $25.00 and there are no takers, I'm a little concerned about the demand for tickets.

Eric, Wally, Jim and Dave and the others are busting their tails to try to satisfy "our" demand to keep this thing alive...so if you haven't bought your ticket and you're within a days drive...get your ASS to New York on Saturday or Sunday, it just might be your last chance to see the greatest Power Pop group of all time live and in concert!

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All I can say is if you're a fan of this band and are missing these New York shows because you're hoping they'll show up at a venue near you, you might be making a big mistake. I'm not saying they won't be playing more shows—I hope they do—but what I am saying is that all four guys have lives outside of Raspberries that they will never be able to put aside for an extended tour. Bite the bullet, jump in your car, call in sick, walk, run, cycle, fly—whatever it takes—and be there this weekend. See you there!

Bernie

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Can I suggest, in light of low publicity, that those who are in supposed driving distance of NY (Jersey, PA, etc) print a flier and hand deliver it to your local indie music store.

Again you have to remember, they're RASPBERRIES to us... they're "the legendary RASPBERRIES" to a lot of the indie music crowd! Also a lot of thos indie stores still carry vinyl... so fans our age who remember fondly the groovy grooved discs can replace damages and continue to expand our horizons and keep our turntables spinning...

Just a thought... :lol:

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Art   

Well said. Be it the last 2 shows ever, or 2 more shows in an ongoing series of appearances, I love this band and I'll be there for both nights. You have really got to admire the guys for taking the time and energy to prepare for appearing live. They sure can't be making much money from it. As a fan from the beginning, I very much appreciate Eric, Wally, Dave and Jim doing this. Thanks guys....see you this weekend.

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ericphan said:

The other option is to come up with some new material and make it revelent to today's music buyers. Re-invent yourselves... Change the name of the band, try to come up with a hit single that will appeal to todays generation.

As my comedic idol Lewis Black would say... Um, no!

Here's a question? Have you ever heard some what today's "generation" is listening to? Do you really want to hear another record that sounds like Lincoln Park?

Next topic!

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There are a few... very few I like.

I do like...

The Young Immortals, Plain White Tshirts, Katharine McPhee, Fountains of Wayne, Maroon 5, Antonio Pontarelli, Matt Nathanson and a few others.

You know, we are not supposed to like their music.

I never let them know when I do like their music. ;)

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darlene   

Very well put, Art. The boys can do new music with a "contemporary" edge that doesn't sound like the garbage the "very young" are listening to now. Not everything that's selling sounds like rap/hiphop/garbage.

BonJovi's "Who Says You Can't Go Home" is getting lots of airplay on "new" country stations. Lines between rock, country and "almost country" are so blurred that there are infinite places on the spectrum that will sell. With the Berries' sound and writing talents, they can do something new that will make everyone sit up and take notice.

New doesn't have to be non-music.

:) --Darlene

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tgp   

I'd just like to see the guys take a few weekends and record some new stuff as a band. Sell the tracks thru the website as downloads. Minimum overhead. Maximum pleasure. They've done just about everything on the previous tours and with the Live CD/DVD, it's all been documented. Nothing wrong with being a studio/Internet band, especially these days.

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Muzza   

We'd be there but we "blew" our bucks going to WAB (no regrets) and now we won't have enough holiday leave accrued for another 12 months or so either.

I'm with Bernie.... if it is possible - do it - We would if we could

Muzza and Kiwi

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marcus46   

Hey everybody!

I think we need to take responsibility somewhat, for how far we would like this thing to go.

While I was fortunate to come across the New York announcement at the website, the same thing thing can now happen for the 50 or so other people that I've pointed in that direction.

How does that go? And they tell two friends, and they tell two friends,etc., etc.

I drove 2200km that weekend, and would do it again in a heartbeat.

My kids, and step kids, have enjoyed a Raspberry party featuring the full live DVD.

Friends and business associates, the same thing!

Oh, and guess what everyone is getting as a stocking stuffer this year!

On the final leg of my car ride back from New York, I called a DJ friend of mine who does a Sunday night retro Rock and Roll "call in" show.Boomers share their thoughts about bands they were/are fans of. He immediately put me on the air to describe what I had just experienced, followed by some quickly improvised changes to the music they were originnally going to play, and shazzam, the phones started ringing, everyone talking, and sharing Raspberry stories.

So, inspired by this, we are getting together to see if how we can re-kindle some excitement using their show as a catalyst.

If enough people respond, there are two promoters who have been tipped off that they would be an excellent addition to Ottawa's Bluesfest, a multistage,multiple venue festival that drew over 500,000 people over the 7 days it ran last year. Talk about a captive audience, not to mention the merchandise that was flying out of there.

The Steve Miller Band was there last year and jammed the place.

Heck, I even went into my bank for a business meeting on Tuesday, and half an hour was spent talking 'Berries, and visiting the site (so they could obtain their special editions, of course!

All prompted by the "Play On" button still pinned to my jacket.

Am I naive? Maybe, but I am convinced tht there is a much bigger appetite out ther for the band than we think.

When I look at some of the reunion shows I've been to (Franki Valli, Dennis DeYoung,etc.),while they were all very good, they don't hold a candle to what I experienced in New York. I think a big part of that is the fact that so few of the original members are involved. Yet they sell out the 5000 seat Casino just outside of Ottawa here.

Anyway, I've got my tickets to Cleveland in hand. My 23 year old daughter hasn't been this excited since we travelled to Toronto to see Paul McArtney a few years back.(Let's Pretend is one of her anthems.My wife, who had never heard of the Raspberries till we met 5 years ago, is already packing.

Keep the faith everyone, it's all about the music.

I can tell you that I,ve seen at least 20 brand new fans created, all under 25 years old, and all I had to do was play them the concert. They loved, and specifically commented on the great musicianship, and believe me this i-pod generation is very finicky. Just play the music. Home, in the car, at work, whatever.....Play On!!

To paraphrase "Play it and they will come"

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marvin   

Marcus your excitement is certainly refreshing. We have all been preaching the good news about Raspberries for years. The two acts you mention - DeYoung and Steve Miller - have name recognization. In Canada, DeYoung could tour until he's 100 and still sell out medium-sized venues. He's that popular. Unfortunately most people have never heard of Raspberries. Certainly once they hear the music, they are intrigued. I'm pretty certain that they could do well when paired with another well-known act, but asking them to do a show alone at a 5000 seat venue might be too optimistic.

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AnneG   
marcus46 said:

He immediately put me on the air to describe what I had just experienced, followed by some quickly improvised changes to the music they were originnally going to play, and shazzam, the phones started ringing, everyone talking, and sharing Raspberry stories.

That is the best thing I've heard all week. There are so many Raspberries fans coming out of the woodwork now.

Good to hear the DJ could improvise and not stick to a scheduled routine --what station was it?

Anne

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marcus46   

Hi Marvin

What are your thoughts on a festival type venue, where people are already present, and can move between stages. This worked well for Steve Miller last year.We watched some of his show, than wandered over to see Steve Forbert. No restrictions with the event pass.

The passes are pre purchased, the bulk of them being for the entire festival, so on any given day there could be between 60 and 70 thousand people on site.(outdoors, of course)

Each day would have a big name anchor, with the lesser known performers on the other stages. (sort of bait and switch maybe?)

Anyway, hope all is well.....A Bientot

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marvin   

A "festival type venue" is similar to what the 'berries did a couple of years ago in Denver. Can't recall all the acts present at Denver with the 'berries, but I believe Little Richard and Gary Lewis were there.

I certainly don't mean to deflate the air out of the balloon, but it's all about name recognization. The other thing is, Eric's name carries MUCH MORE weight and recognization than the 'berries.

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