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ericphan   

I am surprised that the activity on this website has come to an almost standstill. I think everyone is afraid to ask some of the inevitable questions: Like what happens if the NY shows don't sell out?

Here's my 2 cents:

I think continued success will come from pairing up with other "oldies" acts of the seventies.

We have a very dedicated "cult" following that probably numbers in the thousands, but as a stand alone attraction, as much as I love the band and the music, the numbers just are never going to be there to do a full fledged tour alone.

You need tens of thousands of fans to successfully tour and with no new music in 30 years and only a handful of real hits even then...you need to build the fanbase again.

Get on a summer tour with Tommy James, The Turtles, The Rascals, The Buckinghams, Grassroots, The Association, Gary Puckett, Chicago, Kansas, REO...These guys are all still playing year after year. People need to hear your music again and they will buy it once they hear it!

The other option is to come up with some new material and make it revelent to today's music buyers. Re-invent yourselves... Change the name of the band, try to come up with a hit single that will appeal to todays generation.

We love you guys, we love your music! I'm sensing a big letdown after the two New York shows if they are not a rousing success. But whatever you do don't let it end with a whimper, go out with a bang with a last show in Cleveland and then you can call it a day!

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Cozmik   
ericphan said:

The other option is to come up with some new material and make it revelent to today's music buyers. Re-invent yourselves... Change the name of the band, try to come up with a hit single that will appeal to todays generation.

Eewwww.

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marvin   

Let's remember that some of the members of Raspberries and their touring personnel and roadies have 'regular' jobs that they cannot just drop and leave for an extended tour. That's why most of the dates they've already done have fallen on weekends.

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Argee   

Maybe a little biased here but I bet they would have sold more tickets if they would have done the show(s) in Cleveland.

It would be more of a headline. The problem in NYC is there is so much going on that its easy for something like this to slip under the radar

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They never reaped the harvest of the south on the last tour ---- I'm just saying.

Atlanta, Nashville, Florida, Biloxi, and Charlotte -- ( near Wally's native Gastonia ).

I'd even go to Austin, TX. to see the band play!

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marvin   
Argee said:

Maybe a little biased here but I bet they would have sold more tickets if they would have done the show(s) in Cleveland.

It would be more of a headline. The problem in NYC is there is so much going on that its easy for something like this to slip under the radar

While I don't necessarily disagree, what's the explanation for the fact that recent sales figures for the Live cd showed that sales in NYK were more than double of those in Cleveland?

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I also noticed that NYC bought more copies.

I think the addition of the 2nd show increased

the liklihood that the 1st show would not sell-out. Still worthwhile to do 2 shows anyway -- everythings already setup!!

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I suspect the shows will sell out... it's New York, for cryin' out loud... the city that never sleeps is always looking for something to do. While it would be nice to have the shows sold out in advance, sellouts are sellouts.

If money was not quite as tight as it is right now, I'd be there with bells on. But the liklihood of a cash infusion via liquidation does not look likely to happen in the next week... :(

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darlene   

I think they added the 2nd NY show "by popular demand," as it says on Highline's website, *because* the 1st show either sold out or was close to selling out.

If everyone or at least *most* of the people who are board members would try to come to a show, there would be no reason to worry or wonder what's next after NY.

I don't worry or wonder. I have absolute faith that things will go along as they should. Of course, it would hasten success if everyone made an effort to come to at least one show. I realize many people have come to all or many of them, but wishing the band would come to your neck of the woods doesn't give them much support.

Even if you don't go to a show, e-mail Best Buy corporate to demand they stock the album, e-mail Letterman, print out album flyers and leave them around stores in your community (or on cars!) or do SOMETHING!

Just "wishin' and a-hopin,'" as the old song (which I like, by the way) says, doesn't get it. The guys did everything they could to please us--we all need to do something, no matter how small it is, to garner interest if we want quicker success.

:) --Darlene

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The solution - a powerful, melodic song that has a contemporary edge that makes its way onto a very successful film. Then, a killer performance of that song on a major award show. Then, a national buzz starts about "who are these guys?" and the response is an awesome display of their previous work. Then, a new CD on a major label showing the group on the cover without matching suits. Then, we all wander around telling anyone who will listen that we actually were there when it all restarted. Simple......

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darlene   

Exactly, Raspbathens! I was going to add "I would love to see some new music, or even one new song" because that would definitely stir interest. While I know there are many new songs coming out every day that don't get airplay and even some that do that never go anywhere, I know the guys could do something that would stand the music world on its ear. That's what I'm waiting for. It will happen. A name change would be disappointing and would disassociate the guys from their great music.

:) --Darlene

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ericphan   
darlene said:

I think they added the 2nd NY show "by popular demand," as it says on Highline's website, *because* the 1st show either sold out or was close to selling out.

I wish it were the truth, Darlene. I think it was just a marketing ploy. When I called yesterday they said there were a lot of tickets left for Saturday. In fact, even at the Saturday show two years ago they were selling tickets at the door less than an hour before showtime.

I want nothing more than a Standing Room Only sellout...both nights! I hope I'm proved wrong!

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Eric is not only an accomplished artist and craftsman, he is one heck of a technician. He could analyze today's palatable music that's generating a lot of recent interest and extract useful elements for incorporation into a great song. I think so many people are yearning for a good melody and what they need are a few such "permission devices" within the song to allow them to embrace it. That kind of song would open their hearts and their wallets.

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Well, let's put it this way...I work in New York City and if I didn't run this Message Board I would have NO idea that the band was playing this weekend. These shows have gotten no publicity whatsoever other than a 1"x2" square with the word "RASPBERRIES" stuck amid 50 other 1"x2" squares advertising other bands on a full-page Highline Ballroom ad in the Village Voice. Even Bruce Springsteen needs press to sell tickets. How many people said they wished they knew Raspberries were playing B.B. King's in 2005? Do any of them know about the shows this weekend? How would they find out without publicity?

Bernie

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marvin   

If it wasn't for this website and raspberriesonline.com, there would be no way of knowing about the shows. There are many people who don't frequent these sites that are probably wondering and waiting.

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Sigh... it's the Raspberries, and aside from the fact that I'm spending 500 dollars or so to fly across the country to see the show, I totally get it. No one cares. It's a top 40 band from 35 years ago that's giving it "one last shot," and although you don't have to sell ME on how much fun I'm going to have, I'm 52... NO ONE CARES :)

Change their name and create a relevant single? Not a snowball's chance in hell. Radio wouldn't touch it.

I've been flamebroiled on this message board for thinking that some people were a tad delusional, and I really mean no ill-will (I'm not the writer from the Cleveland Scene ;) ) but really... this is the definition of a niche concert, and the more money you spend to advertise, the more you water down the profits. If you spend a couple grand to advertise, at this point, you might sell 20 more tickets. The math doesn't work. Just because there's a print ad... why would that generate interest from people who were not even born when the music came out. Myspace, Youtube... that's where you'd grab some people... you'd expose them to the music. And, that's free.

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Raspberries and Eric Carmen already have great Myspace sites. Plenty of their work is on Youtube. Marc, what else can be done, in your opinion, using those two means?

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I'm coming to NYC next thursday afternoon and I'll try to get into the studio's of "WPLJ" radio on friday- or saturday morning to visit 'Scott and Todd' in the morning!

Just to let everybody know what is the only BIG THING playing in NYC that weekend!!!!

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The only other things they could do using Myspace is to have someone actively trying to recruit new fans by spamming users that are fans of similar bands. I get lots of requests from bands I don't know, and I've grown to like a few of them. But that is very labor & time intensive. Sending out more bulletins to the same fans does not help. The only other things they could do would be to make a promo single or video from the Sunset Strip and service all the outlets ryko ignored. A standalone DVD might create more interest, as the business of CDs is pretty dead, but Music video is booming. Oldies tours probably won't work, short sets, and short pay means the guys giving up real jobs for maybe a pay cut & no benefits. Same with opening slots, and most of the band actually have careers outside of the music. If that wasn't the case, the band could certainly tour every shed and casino in the US. Movie music is a good idea, but FYI, they usually do not pay for songs in film, meaning the band laying out to record and maybe the song doesn't get used. Certain big films have asked numerous artists to demo material, then they throw away all but 1 version. And the winner doesnt get paid, unless the soundtrack takes off. The Alarm released a 45 in the late 90s as the Poppyfield, years after their last hits, and caught some radio airplay in the UK, so that's not a bad idea, but again, a crapshoot as to whether it would work. I know everybody here loves the band, and I never dreamed in 2004 I would have ever seen them live.

This is a band with one hit 30 years ago, bands like BOC and Cheap Trick with numerous gold & platinum records have a hard time drawing 300 to shows nowadays, most fans of bands this vintage have moved on, and have grandchildren. Really, the only big chance would be to get someone like Little Steven interested, as he has put on several tours, but I'm thinking he's going to be busy for awhile.

NYC being the city that never sleeps also means a million entertainment choices, and many are free.

Sorry to be such a pessimist, but I'm just being realistic about the state of the industry. Ozzfest was FREE this year, they had a half a million dollar lineup on stage every show, and couldn't sell out most venues.While I'd love to see the band persevere, I don't know what's in it for them.

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dianed   

I remember years ago, when I DID listen to radio stations, the DJ's ALWAYS announced concert happenings in New York. If you listened on a Friday, they gave you a run-down of everything that was happening in the city for that weekend. They had contests and gave away tickets. The publicity WAS the radio stations. Not so anymore.

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Back then, there were only 2 rock stations in NY on AM, then they died when FM came in, again with 2 rock stations in NYC. Now with sirius & the other network, the average person has what 1000 channels to choose from? Narrowcasting has fragmented the audience so much. We were discussing this on another board, how bands today are so labeled. Back then, it was rock, soul, metal, punk, disco. Now there's a million labels, 10s of thousands of bands, and people are boxed in with choices, unwilling to take a chance.

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